--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know this is a fictional account, but I do believe in a large
number of cases it is an accurate picture, watch a couple of Soprano
episodes. The mob runs their act out of a north Jersey strip club
called "Bada Bing". This is the local strip joint--not the upscale
"gentleman's clubs" or the Moulin Rouge.

You may be living a bit too much in a fictional world -- viewing the
world based on ficional acounts. :)  I mean did the name "Bada Bing"
give you a sense that some literary license might be being taken? Do
you feel that Bada Bing is really representative of modern US clubs?
Perhaps it is in low population rural areas. It is a good Hollywood
fantasy of what a fictional mob boss might be engaged in? Do you think
most clubs are owned by the mafia?

I have seen a few episodes. How are the girls at Bada Bing being
exploited?

> At the same time there are high class, upscale places, which are
probably like the places Pete is describing in the Florida "Gold
Coast" (one of the wealthiest areas in this country). Probably more a
mixed bag.

Yes, I think there are a range of clubs. It would be a mistake if one
found some low level club where there is some coercion and
exploitation -- and I am sure there are some -- and extrapolate that
to all clubs.
 
> It is also worth mentioning that prostitution is "Vedic". According
to  "Natural Law" it is acceptable for certain castes to do this. But
before you go championing Maharishi Brothels ;-) you should definitely
check out the > film _The Day My God Died_, which was mentioned here
before (> http://www.thedaymygoddied.com/ ).

So you have jumped from contemporary clubs in the US to brothels in
India. Do you really equate such? That was my concern with my original
 post that in your mind you were bashing US clubs but thinking of
reasons why 3rd world brothels are exploitive. 
 
> If you get LinkTV you may also have seen the pieces on the "Stans",
the Islamic republics of the old Soviet Union, which are very
impoverished and  women are routinely sold into slavery--to the tune
of about 25% of the  population. If you read National Geographic you
may have read their article on world prostitution.

I agree the are some horrid examples of sex trafficing in parts of the
world. How does that make US dancers, in modern clubs, exploited.

 
> John Lennon said it when he said "Woman is the nigger of the world." 

OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs, are
exploited.

> We claim to live in a country that idealizes equality--then how come
half of congress aren't women?

OK. Now I get you. Its a beautiful argument. US dancers, in modern
clubs, are exploited because less than half of congress are not
female. Ok I am indeed following you now!
> 
> Truly testosterone is the worlds most dangerous drug.

Maybe it is in immature hands. (Opps, poor metaphor for this discussion.)




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