--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> John Lennon said it when he said "Woman is the nigger of the world."
> > 
> > OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs,
are  exploited.
> 
> This seems to be something you need to look into yourself if you
have such questions.


Being dismissive, doesn't really answer the question. When did Lennon
say this? 1975? 30 years ago. Do you think its as true and relevant
then as it is now? Is it an eternal truth? Clearly I think no to both.
If you want to critic modern society based on a 30 year old view, ok,
but it does not seem so productive. 30 years ago there was much gender
discrimination. I see much less today. No existent on some  levels. 

> >> We claim to live in a country that idealizes equality--then how
come half of congress aren't women?

> > OK. Now I get you. Its a beautiful argument. US dancers, in modern
> > clubs, are exploited because less than half of congress are not
> > female. Ok I am indeed following you now!

> No, it does not appear you are following me. Male dominance and
control are key elements in the worldwide exploitation of women.

And thus women in modern exotic dance clubs are exploited? I still
don't see the link. Its a logical fallacy. Shemp uses it sometimes. 

A) Men contol the power structures in many places
B) Women in parts of the world are exploited by this.
C) Women work in strip clubs
D) Ergo, women in strip clubs are exploited.

For a while, I had two women US senators, a woman congressmen, women
in my state assembly and senate seats, woman mayor, and at the time,
strong woman candidate for governor. Some parts of the country may
elect men, where I live(d), there is no visible bias against women 
for elected office. 

You draw a correlation, and apparently a causal effect, between male
dominance of power structures and exploitation of women in strip
clubs. Therefore, does it follow that in my area, where there was no
male dominance and control of power structures, and thus there was not
this basis for the exploitation of women (indeed women dominated the
power structures), does it follow, per your model and thinking, that
women in strip clubs in my area were not exploited? 









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