Really fun to read turqbarry noozbarry and merubarry talking about all this (-:
________________________________ From: merudanda <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Splendid idea-- For those who are not so familiar with the "beating" check out Blake Snyder's homepage http://www.blakesnyder.com/ including "The Despicable Me 2 Beat Sheet" This Gru-some beat sheet breaks down the three-act structure into bite-size, manageable sections, each with a specific goal-pattern can be used for your overall FFL story posting millions of minions http://www.blakesnyder.com/category/beat-sheet/ And , of course, for our software lovers, and blank-filler and- or shooter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES-2pyCTzB0 Story Structure Software 3.0 ,Save the Cat! Version 3 for only $99.95 (Structure a story that resonates with the hear beats of all your FFL posters by filling in this form with Blake's 15 beats.-In the mood for horror posting at FFL but can't nail the story? Unleash your inner Stephen King!-You have two days to visit Paris and, aspiring screenwriter /FFL poster that you are, you know those 48 hours have to count :15 beats for a rant!) Or accomplish this splendid idea and contest with some chart from "Plot whisperer"(no kidding)including Energetic Marker and Awakenings) Here: http://ingridsnotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/final-revision_traditional-mountain-structure-handout_8-5x14.jpg [email protected], Bhairitu wrote: > > I'm waiting for Turq's daily rant written using the 15 beats. Or maybe > we ought to have a posting contest for posts using the 15 beats. I was > looking through those and imagining posts written that way. :-D > > On 07/21/2013 01:34 PM, merudanda wrote: > > Thanks ,great post about cartoonish society of Hollywood and .... fill > > in the blank [:D] > > In Solving Equation of a Hit Film Script, With Data-Forget zombies. The > > data crunchers are invading Hollywood. > > http://tinyurl.com/kq3rfqr > > wrote Ol Parker( "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel.") "It's > > the enemy of creativity, nothing more than an attempt to mimic that > > which has worked before. It can only result in an increasingly bland > > homogenization, a pell-mell rush for the middle of the road." > > and a comment by Pure Snake Oil from Kansas City wrote: > > "When you hire execs who can't read a script, have no movie, literature, > > or artistic insight or training, you create a mentality that everything > > can be measured by meta-data and statistics. The best film experience is > > an emotional experience, connecting to the heart and soul of an > > audience. These are not the elements that an algorithm can measure, it's > > a measure of humanity itself." > > and Birgitte Rasine from Silicon Valley: > > "Some tend to think that the American moviegoer is too uneducated and > > uncultured to choose the "art" film and that's why the mindless action > > thrillers rake in so much cash. Wrong. It's years of US distributors > > selecting mindless action flick after mindless action flick that has > > shaped our tastes (speaking very generally), while distributors in > > Europe chose films they felt had value as art and as great stories. In a > > word, it's habit." > > Yes When was it when the word "formulaic" was the ultimate insult for a > > script. Now it's seen as something positive? > > Yes its very late good night or better good morning.. [:x] > > Will see if there is time for "The Power of Few" > > > > --- In [email protected], Bhairitu wrote: > >> Hollywood started out as a "factory" operation. It started because > > the > >> east coast entrepreneurs of nickelodeons wanted to make more money by > >> making their own films and Edison wanted his royalties for the > >> technology. So they took off to the orchards of southern California > >> where they were out of reach of Edison's patent agents. IOW, > > Hollywood > >> was founded by pirates so them going after people who download a few > >> movies (and sometimes may not even watch them) is a bit hypocritical. > >> > >> Frankly I don't have time to read all these articles right now but I > >> know what has been going on in the industry. Doing movies or anything > >> by focus groups is fraught with error. I've been on the other side of > >> the two-way mirror for focus groups and watched people struggle with > >> giving any kind of useful feedback. We developers figured this was > >> happening only because marketing wanted it and not very useful. This > > is > >> also why you have food that is too salty, too sweet and has MSG in it > >> because some focus groups told them "people like it." You know what > >> people in focus groups like? The check they get afterwards. > >> > >> That and formula film making don't work. I happened to watch the > > "Evil > >> Dead" redo the other night and thought it was horrible. I recall the > >> original was a bit of a dark comedy of errors. This one was just a > >> "gore fest". Much better though a little weak in the opening acts is > >> "The Power of Few" which has a bit of spiritual context and an > >> independent film where no formulaic bean counters were telling the > >> writer/director what to do. It features Christopher Walken and > >> Christian Slater and a few other known actors. I rented the DVD at > >> Redbox but I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up on Netflix WI in a > > few > >> weeks. It's not horror and though R I still think Buck might even > > enjoy it. > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJuovcCmL9k > >> (Let's see the trailer is an ad for the movie so why put an ad before > > it?) > >> The ideal is sorta like the way art galleries work. The filmmaker > > makes > >> a movie and a distributor picks it up. The distributor plays the role > >> the art gallery and art gallery don't generally go around telling > >> artists what to paint. They pick stuff that they feel people will > > want > >> to buy. > >> > >> Of course making a movie can be very expensive or used to be. You can > >> make really good looking movies with cameras that cost under $5000 and > >> own them instead of renting. No need for bad actors either as > > colleges > >> generate plenty of aspiring drama grads who can actually act.d It's > > all > >> about how creative you can be and economy of means. If you have a > >> compelling story people will want to see it. > >> > >> Art doesn't belong in an "factory" operation. That may have worked > > back > >> when film didn't amount to much. Now audiences want more. TV > > networks > >> have been blindsided by Netflix, Amazon and VUDU. People would rather > >> invest 90 minutes in one complete story than be strung out on a so-so > > TV > >> series that has turned in its later season to just be a paycheck for > > the > >> production company. > >> > >> Regarding formulaic script writing, I determined some time ago there > > is > >> no one way to write a script. It's story telling. In some cases you > >> one might do better either telling a story like you would to friends > > to > >> a voice recorder app rather than writing it down. Or maybe writing an > >> outline and filling in the rest. The academic structure is just a > > tool > >> to help you fix where your story has gone weak. We have the same > > thing > >> in music where tools can help you fix a composition where it has > > fallen > >> down. > >> > >> Also I think a lot of aspiring screenplay writers just seem to write > > and > >> re-write one script over and over. They should try writing a bunch of > >> them instead and will find like any other art form they learn each > > time > >> and get better at it. And aspiring Joss Whedons need to remember it > > was > >> his family dharma as his grandfather even wrote for TV. > >> > >> > >> On 07/21/2013 11:07 AM, merudanda wrote: > >>> NICE!! > >>> > >>> Dear Bhairitu -guru please,please tell us "it was like a bomb ripped > >>> through Hollywood" and movies are "America's greatest art form" > >>> are only self-serving and over-dramatic assertions of a nothing-new > > "a > >>> tunnel-visioned , flippant and misinformed article"about Film 101 > > and a > >>> merchandizing picking pocketing raucous hustling, an unbridled > > global > >>> carnival entertainmententertainmententertainment industry. > >>> BTW > >>> Correlation-digging are fun but does not imply causation. > >>> HMMMh what was first > >>> formulaic-franchised thinking or formulaic -franchised writing- > >>> Wouldn't you agree with :Theory is for analyzing works that have > > already > >>> been created, it's not a manual to follow in creating them. > >>> And. > >>> Having rules and certain guidelines to follow seems to be > > essential. > >>> for writing instruction manual or a pharmaceutical regulatory > > document > >>> [:D] or- well [;)] -writing a scientific paper to be published > >>> Stay tuned for the next thrilling installment, for the shocking > >>> revelation by Suderman that there are only six plots in all of > >>> fiction!-and spoiled people stop going to Snyderized movie > >>> Wasn't Snyder making very clear in his book that his formula > >>> sheet-whatever is/ought to be applied almost exclusively to comedies > > -- > >>> something Suderman seems to miss--? > >>> Something to ponder...: > >>> Big Data analytic s now being used by Hollywood. > >>> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/06/business/media/solving-equation-of-a-h\ > > \ > >>> it-film-script-with-data.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1& > >>>>> hit-film-script-with-data.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&> > >>> --- In [email protected], turquoiseb wrote: > >>>> Very well -- and wittily -- written up in this review by > >>>> Peter Suderman. > >>>> > >>>> > > http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/07/hollywood_and_blak\ > > \ > >>> e_snyder_s_screenwriting_book_save_the_cat.2.html > >>>> The wit comes from a link to a second version of the > >>>> article that many people will miss and not click on, > >>>> to their detriment. It's the same article they've just > >>>> been reading, but now with its beat-by-beat formula > >>>> -- the same one discussed in the article and in the > >>>> book -- inserted, to show you that he followed the > >>>> formula when writing the article. > >>>> > >>>> > > http://www.slate.com/content/slate/sidebars/2013/07/now_playing_at_your_\ > > \ > >>> local_multiplex_save_the_movie.html > >>> > > >
