Chime in because you say you've studied screen writing and have written scripts. Any produced? What do you think of these formulas? Then there are 8 and 9 act formulas too.
I just came back from having lunch with a friend with connections at Lionsgate who we can pitch TV series to if we come up with one. Let's see, "Adventures in a Funny Farm Lounge." :-D On 07/22/2013 12:33 PM, Share Long wrote: > Really fun to read turqbarry noozbarry and merubarry talking about all this > (-: > > > > > ________________________________ > From: merudanda <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:32 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's > right) book on screenwriting > > > > > Splendid idea-- > For those who are not so familiar with the "beating" check out > Blake Snyder's homepage > http://www.blakesnyder.com/ > including "The Despicable Me 2 Beat Sheet" This Gru-some beat sheet breaks > down the three-act structure into bite-size, manageable sections, each with a > specific goal-pattern can be used for your overall FFL story posting > > > millions of minions > http://www.blakesnyder.com/category/beat-sheet/ > And , of course, for our software lovers, and blank-filler and- or shooter: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES-2pyCTzB0 > > Story Structure Software 3.0 ,Save the Cat! Version 3 for only $99.95 > (Structure a story that resonates with the hear beats of all your FFL > posters by filling in this form with Blake's 15 beats.-In the mood for horror > posting at FFL but can't nail the story? Unleash your inner Stephen King!-You > have two days to visit Paris and, aspiring screenwriter /FFL poster that you > are, you know those 48 hours have to count :15 beats for a rant!) > Or accomplish this splendid idea and contest with some chart from "Plot > whisperer"(no kidding)including Energetic Marker and Awakenings) > Here: > http://ingridsnotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/final-revision_traditional-mountain-structure-handout_8-5x14.jpg > > > [email protected], Bhairitu wrote: >> I'm waiting for Turq's daily rant written using the 15 beats. Or maybe >> we ought to have a posting contest for posts using the 15 beats. I was >> looking through those and imagining posts written that way. :-D >> >> On 07/21/2013 01:34 PM, merudanda wrote: >>> Thanks ,great post about cartoonish society of Hollywood and .... fill >>> in the blank [:D] >>> In Solving Equation of a Hit Film Script, With Data-Forget zombies. The >>> data crunchers are invading Hollywood. >>> http://tinyurl.com/kq3rfqr >>> wrote Ol Parker( "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel.") "It's >>> the enemy of creativity, nothing more than an attempt to mimic that >>> which has worked before. It can only result in an increasingly bland >>> homogenization, a pell-mell rush for the middle of the road." >>> and a comment by Pure Snake Oil from Kansas City wrote: >>> "When you hire execs who can't read a script, have no movie, literature, >>> or artistic insight or training, you create a mentality that everything >>> can be measured by meta-data and statistics. The best film experience is >>> an emotional experience, connecting to the heart and soul of an >>> audience. These are not the elements that an algorithm can measure, it's >>> a measure of humanity itself." >>> and Birgitte Rasine from Silicon Valley: >>> "Some tend to think that the American moviegoer is too uneducated and >>> uncultured to choose the "art" film and that's why the mindless action >>> thrillers rake in so much cash. Wrong. It's years of US distributors >>> selecting mindless action flick after mindless action flick that has >>> shaped our tastes (speaking very generally), while distributors in >>> Europe chose films they felt had value as art and as great stories. In a >>> word, it's habit." >>> Yes When was it when the word "formulaic" was the ultimate insult for a >>> script. Now it's seen as something positive? >>> Yes its very late good night or better good morning.. [:x] >>> Will see if there is time for "The Power of Few" >>> >>> --- In [email protected], Bhairitu wrote: >>>> Hollywood started out as a "factory" operation. It started because >>> the >>>> east coast entrepreneurs of nickelodeons wanted to make more money by >>>> making their own films and Edison wanted his royalties for the >>>> technology. So they took off to the orchards of southern California >>>> where they were out of reach of Edison's patent agents. IOW, >>> Hollywood >>>> was founded by pirates so them going after people who download a few >>>> movies (and sometimes may not even watch them) is a bit hypocritical. >>>> >>>> Frankly I don't have time to read all these articles right now but I >>>> know what has been going on in the industry. Doing movies or anything >>>> by focus groups is fraught with error. I've been on the other side of >>>> the two-way mirror for focus groups and watched people struggle with >>>> giving any kind of useful feedback. We developers figured this was >>>> happening only because marketing wanted it and not very useful. This >>> is >>>> also why you have food that is too salty, too sweet and has MSG in it >>>> because some focus groups told them "people like it." You know what >>>> people in focus groups like? The check they get afterwards. >>>> >>>> That and formula film making don't work. I happened to watch the >>> "Evil >>>> Dead" redo the other night and thought it was horrible. I recall the >>>> original was a bit of a dark comedy of errors. This one was just a >>>> "gore fest". Much better though a little weak in the opening acts is >>>> "The Power of Few" which has a bit of spiritual context and an >>>> independent film where no formulaic bean counters were telling the >>>> writer/director what to do. It features Christopher Walken and >>>> Christian Slater and a few other known actors. I rented the DVD at >>>> Redbox but I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up on Netflix WI in a >>> few >>>> weeks. It's not horror and though R I still think Buck might even >>> enjoy it. >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJuovcCmL9k >>>> (Let's see the trailer is an ad for the movie so why put an ad before >>> it?) >>>> The ideal is sorta like the way art galleries work. The filmmaker >>> makes >>>> a movie and a distributor picks it up. The distributor plays the role >>>> the art gallery and art gallery don't generally go around telling >>>> artists what to paint. They pick stuff that they feel people will >>> want >>>> to buy. >>>> >>>> Of course making a movie can be very expensive or used to be. You can >>>> make really good looking movies with cameras that cost under $5000 and >>>> own them instead of renting. No need for bad actors either as >>> colleges >>>> generate plenty of aspiring drama grads who can actually act.d It's >>> all >>>> about how creative you can be and economy of means. If you have a >>>> compelling story people will want to see it. >>>> >>>> Art doesn't belong in an "factory" operation. That may have worked >>> back >>>> when film didn't amount to much. Now audiences want more. TV >>> networks >>>> have been blindsided by Netflix, Amazon and VUDU. People would rather >>>> invest 90 minutes in one complete story than be strung out on a so-so >>> TV >>>> series that has turned in its later season to just be a paycheck for >>> the >>>> production company. >>>> >>>> Regarding formulaic script writing, I determined some time ago there >>> is >>>> no one way to write a script. It's story telling. In some cases you >>>> one might do better either telling a story like you would to friends >>> to >>>> a voice recorder app rather than writing it down. Or maybe writing an >>>> outline and filling in the rest. The academic structure is just a >>> tool >>>> to help you fix where your story has gone weak. We have the same >>> thing >>>> in music where tools can help you fix a composition where it has >>> fallen >>>> down. >>>> >>>> Also I think a lot of aspiring screenplay writers just seem to write >>> and >>>> re-write one script over and over. They should try writing a bunch of >>>> them instead and will find like any other art form they learn each >>> time >>>> and get better at it. And aspiring Joss Whedons need to remember it >>> was >>>> his family dharma as his grandfather even wrote for TV. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 07/21/2013 11:07 AM, merudanda wrote: >>>>> NICE!! >>>>> >>>>> Dear Bhairitu -guru please,please tell us "it was like a bomb ripped >>>>> through Hollywood" and movies are "America's greatest art form" >>>>> are only self-serving and over-dramatic assertions of a nothing-new >>> "a >>>>> tunnel-visioned , flippant and misinformed article"about Film 101 >>> and a >>>>> merchandizing picking pocketing raucous hustling, an unbridled >>> global >>>>> carnival entertainmententertainmententertainment industry. >>>>> BTW >>>>> Correlation-digging are fun but does not imply causation. >>>>> HMMMh what was first >>>>> formulaic-franchised thinking or formulaic -franchised writing- >>>>> Wouldn't you agree with :Theory is for analyzing works that have >>> already >>>>> been created, it's not a manual to follow in creating them. >>>>> And. >>>>> Having rules and certain guidelines to follow seems to be >>> essential. >>>>> for writing instruction manual or a pharmaceutical regulatory >>> document >>>>> [:D] or- well [;)] -writing a scientific paper to be published >>>>> Stay tuned for the next thrilling installment, for the shocking >>>>> revelation by Suderman that there are only six plots in all of >>>>> fiction!-and spoiled people stop going to Snyderized movie >>>>> Wasn't Snyder making very clear in his book that his formula >>>>> sheet-whatever is/ought to be applied almost exclusively to comedies >>> -- >>>>> something Suderman seems to miss--? >>>>> Something to ponder...: >>>>> Big Data analytic s now being used by Hollywood. >>>>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/06/business/media/solving-equation-of-a-h\ >>> \ >>>>> it-film-script-with-data.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1& >>>>>>> hit-film-script-with-data.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&> >>>>> --- In [email protected], turquoiseb wrote: >>>>>> Very well -- and wittily -- written up in this review by >>>>>> Peter Suderman. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/07/hollywood_and_blak\ >>> \ >>>>> e_snyder_s_screenwriting_book_save_the_cat.2.html >>>>>> The wit comes from a link to a second version of the >>>>>> article that many people will miss and not click on, >>>>>> to their detriment. It's the same article they've just >>>>>> been reading, but now with its beat-by-beat formula >>>>>> -- the same one discussed in the article and in the >>>>>> book -- inserted, to show you that he followed the >>>>>> formula when writing the article. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> http://www.slate.com/content/slate/sidebars/2013/07/now_playing_at_your_\ >>> \ >>>>> local_multiplex_save_the_movie.html >>>>> >
