Judy:
> I don't recall having read anyone saying here
> that you meditate for many years with no 
> discernible change and then suddenly be in
> CC, at least not as the standard pattern with
> TM.  But I could have missed it.

Its diologues over the past 3-4 years. And its not an explicit claim.
But strongly imlpied -- so much so, I see no other possibility than
the underlying premise being held that one meditates for many years
with no discernible change and then suddenly be in CC. That is, there
little acknowlegement by some that there is regular and "strong" PC
"in" foreground by many. Contrary to the "pontificators" implied
singular claims to the experience.
 
> The other dogma, that you can just *decide* to
> become suddenly enlightened, we've been seeing
> a lot.

yes. Reminds me of EST.








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