Empty Bill seems to have 'issues' with 'Prairie Dog'.....go figure! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Prairie Dog Troll You are such an ignorant, pseudo-intellectual bullshitter that you'll make any kind of claim just to appear like you know something. I would call you a liar but in actuality you are just arrogantly stupid. Patanjali talks extensively about OM you fool. He uses the standard vedic term pranava. See YS 1.27 - tasya vâcaka.h pra.nava.h “(His) designation is the pranava (pronouncement)”. Prairie Dog sez: Vajrayana Buddhism is esoteric, in the sense that the transmission of certain teachings only occurs directly from teacher to student during an initiation or empowerment and cannot be simply learned from a book. Idiot! I’ve had a Vajrayana and Dzogchen teacher for a decade. You are only a stinking troll parroting something you read in a book. You don’t know shit about Vajrayana. Prairie Dog sez: So, SSRS get the bija mantras from MMY without even becoming a TM teacher - it has not been established where and from whom MMY got the list of bijas, but you only get one bija in TM - so how did MMY and SSRS get to know all the bija mantras? They probably read about the bija mantras in a yoga book. Because no TM teacher would give out seventeen different bijas to one student. Go figure. Brahmarishi Devarata said that the supreme bija of the Rg Veda is Im, of Yajur Veda is Shri and of the Upanishads is the pranava Om. The supreme bija of Prairie Dog yoga is Duh! ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote: It is a fact that here are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda. So, how would the SSRS know any bijas from being a Vedic Pandit? There are no bija mantras mentioned by Patanjali. The historical Buddha doesn't mention any bija mantras. So, the bija mantras usage must have come AFTER the rise of Buddhism (463 BC) in India and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras (200 BC). The Siddha tradition of using bija mantras can be traced back to the Vajrayana Buddhism which probably began at Odisha, or in the modern day Swat Valley in what is now Pakistan during the Gupta Age. Vajrayana Buddhism is esoteric, in the sense that the transmission of certain teachings only occurs directly from teacher to student during an initiation or empowerment and cannot be simply learned from a book. So, SSRS get the bija mantras from MMY without even becoming a TM teacher - it has not been established where and from whom MMY got the list of bijas, but you only get one bija in TM - so how did MMY and SSRS get to know all the bija mantras? They probably read about the bija mantras in a yoga book. Because no TM teacher would give out seventeen different bijas to one student. Go figure. On 10/26/2013 11:20 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote: SSRS, although a mahapundit of the four vedas, should have asked you first. Although he had a number of teachers other than MMY, he obviously never asked permission from you - the "punditster". I'm sure he regrets the omission to this day. I'm also sure you could clarify his pronunciation of the riks, reveal the hidden connections between between the vaious chhanda-s. Maybe you could obtain the blessing of the deva-s and get him authorized for using these cheating bijas stolen from the Buddhists. You should call him and offer to help him out. However, I wouldn't use your Prairie Dog credentials. Rather you should just introduce yourself as a pandit dedicated to cleaning up the fallen lineage of pseudo-pandits using fake bijas. You could give him a copy of the The Tantric Tradition by Leopold Fischer (agehananda bharati) and just point out "You need to read this and stop ripping everyone off!" So great of you to consider this. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> mailto:punditster@... wrote: Under whose authority would the SSRS be giving out any bija mantras? If you can't reveal where MMY got the bijas, so how could you say SSRS got any bijas? There aren't any bijas mentioned in the Vedas. From what I've read, SSRS, like Deepak Chopra and Charlie Lutes, never became TM teachers by completing a TTC. So, how would they be knowing any bijas? Go figure. On 10/24/2013 7:41 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote: Authfriend: Today at 8:16 AM So what would the problem be if "OM" wasn't included in a maha-mantra but rather along with, say, a bija mantra like what TM uses? Did Sri Sri give out bija mantras, or just the maha-mantras? SSRS does indeed give out bija-mantras for meditation. However, I was never taught his sahaj-meditation technique so I did not receive one of his chosen meditation bija-mantras. What I asked him for (asked four times over a 7 year period) was "guru-mantra". When he finally gave it to me it was a maha-mantra that "named" the source of our teaching lineage. If you consider the guru-puja which is performed at initiation then you can guess which mantra. I received it along with another one of SSRS's teachers who often stayed at my house. According to that teacher, he also received the same maha-mantra (it includes om). I couldn't have asked for a better mantra. I use it after my tm-mantra and before I perform sanyama on a few select sutras that work especially well for me. SSRS did tell me and that all the different bija-mantras naturally merge into the om sound at the finest level. BTW - the sankhya-yoga scholar said the same ... no problem with using om if sheltered in a longer mantra.
