So, let's sum up what we know about the bija mantras used in TM. It has already been established that MMY got one single bija mantra from his teacher SBS. It has also been established that SSRS cribbed the list of bijas from MMY. It has NOT been established that SSRS has had a tantric yoga teacher other than MMY. Let's face it - the bija mantras used in TM were cribbed from a tantra yoga book. Why would SBS give a whole list of bijas to MMY if SBS didn't even endorse MMY to teach tantra?
According to SBS, the monosyllable 'OM' isn't a bija (seed) sound at all - it's just a place-holder for the bija given in initiation. The Pranava is OM, but OM is not a bija, it;s just a symbol for the Vedic Sun God. If there were any bijas to meditate on when Patanjali compiled the Yoga Sutras he would have mentioned them, would he not? Or, the historical Buddha would have mentioned them. Or, MMY would have said that the TM bija mantras came from the Vedas. Or, Larry Domash would have told us the bijas came from the Vedas. They did not. So, it would seem that the Marshy got confused - instead of extolling the Vedas, he should have been promoting the Tantras. Apparently there are no 'bija' mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda. In order to establish the TM practice, the Marshy should have been explaining how TM came to use the tantric bija mantras. >From what I've read, TM practice and the use of bijas comes from the Sri Vidya, and not from the Rig Veda. Sri Vidya is a tantric sect, purportedly founded by Shankaracharya. Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was a member of the Sri Vidya - all the Saraswati dasnamis are headquarted at Sringeri. SBS's guru, Swami Krishanand Saraswati, was from Sringeri. The primary symbol of the Sri Vidya is the Shri Yantra, not the OM symbol. So, it's obvious that TM adherents should be looking to the Tantras, such as the 'Saundaryalahari' for the origins of TM, not the to the Vedas. The Rig Veda has little to say about yoga practices such as 'TM'. The Rig Veda is based on sacrificial rituals, dedicated to appeasing the celestial beings that control the forces of nature, such as earth, wind and fire, etc. The Devatas, such as Krishna, Balarama, Vasudeva, and Ramchandra are deified heroes of Indian mythology. There are no 'istadevatas' mentioned in the Rig Veda, so how could there be any istadevata bija mantras? Go figure. The use of bijas came a long time after the composition of the Rig Veda, during the Gupta age in India. Bija mantras are products of the Indian alchemists, not the Vedic Rishis. The Rig Veda was probably compiled before the Aryan speakers even arrived in India. On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:38 PM, <emptyb...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Prairie Dog Troll > > > You are such an ignorant, pseudo-intellectual bullshitter that you'll make > any kind of claim just to appear like you know something. I would call you > a liar but in actuality you are just arrogantly stupid. > > Patanjali talks extensively about OM you fool. He uses the standard vedic > term *pranava*. *See** YS 1.27 - tasya vâcaka.h pra.nava.h “(His) > designation is the pranava (pronouncement)”.* > > > > *Prairie Dog sez:* > > *Vajrayana Buddhism is esoteric, in the sense that the transmission of > certain teachings only occurs directly from teacher to student during an > initiation or empowerment and cannot be simply learned from a book.* > > > > Idiot! I’ve had a Vajrayana and Dzogchen teacher for a decade. You are > only a stinking troll parroting something you read in a book. You don’t > know shit about Vajrayana. > > > > *Prairie Dog sez:* > > *So, SSRS get the bija mantras from MMY without even becoming a TM > teacher - it has not been established where and from whom MMY got the list > of bijas, but you only get one bija in TM - so how did MMY and SSRS get to > know all the bija mantras? They probably read about the bija mantras in a > yoga book. Because no TM teacher would give out seventeen different bijas > to one student. Go figure.* > > > > Brahmarishi Devarata said that the supreme bija of the Rg Veda is *Im,*of > Yajur Veda is > *Shri* and of the Upanishads is the pranava *Om*. > > > > The supreme bija of Prairie Dog yoga is *Duh*! > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote: > > It is a fact that here are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda. So, > how would the SSRS know any bijas from being a Vedic Pandit? > > There are no bija mantras mentioned by Patanjali. The historical Buddha > doesn't mention any bija mantras. So, the bija mantras usage must have come > AFTER the rise of Buddhism (463 BC) in India and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras > (200 BC). > > The Siddha tradition of using bija mantras can be traced back to the > Vajrayana Buddhism which probably began at Odisha, or in the modern day > Swat Valley in what is now Pakistan during the Gupta Age. Vajrayana > Buddhism is esoteric, in the sense that the transmission of certain > teachings only occurs directly from teacher to student during an initiation > or empowerment and cannot be simply learned from a book. > > So, SSRS get the bija mantras from MMY without even becoming a TM teacher > - it has not been established where and from whom MMY got the list of > bijas, but you only get one bija in TM - so how did MMY and SSRS get to > know all the bija mantras? They probably read about the bija mantras in a > yoga book. Because no TM teacher would give out seventeen different bijas > to one student. Go figure. > > > On 10/26/2013 11:20 PM, emptybill@... wrote: > > > > SSRS, although a mahapundit of the four vedas, should have asked you > first. Although he had a number of teachers other than MMY, he obviously > never asked permission from you - the "punditster". I'm sure he regrets the > omission to this day. > > I'm also sure you could clarify his pronunciation of the riks, reveal the > hidden connections between between the vaious chhanda-s. Maybe you could > obtain the blessing of the deva-s and get him authorized for using these > cheating bijas stolen from the Buddhists. > > > > You should call him and offer to help him out. However, I wouldn't use > your Prairie Dog credentials. Rather you should just introduce yourself as > a pandit dedicated to cleaning up the fallen lineage of pseudo-pandits > using fake bijas. You could give him a copy of the The Tantric Traditionby > Leopold Fischer (agehananda bharati) and just point out "You need to > read this and stop ripping everyone off!" > > > So great of you to consider this. > > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> <punditster@...>wrote: > > Under whose authority would the SSRS be giving out any bija mantras? If > you can't reveal where MMY got the bijas, so how could you say SSRS got any > bijas? There aren't any bijas mentioned in the Vedas. From what I've read, > SSRS, like Deepak Chopra and Charlie Lutes, never became TM teachers by > completing a TTC. So, how would they be knowing any bijas? Go figure. > > On 10/24/2013 7:41 PM, emptybill@... wrote: > > > > > Authfriend: Today at 8:16 AM > > So what would the problem be if "OM" wasn't included in a maha-mantra > but rather along with, say, a bija mantra like what TM uses? Did Sri Sri > give out bija mantras, or just the maha-mantras? > > > *SSRS does indeed give out bija-mantras for meditation. However, I was > never taught his sahaj-meditation technique so I did not receive one of his > chosen meditation bija-mantras. > * > > * > * > > *What I asked him for (asked four times over a 7 year period) was > "guru-mantra". When he finally gave it to me it was a maha-mantra that > "named" the source of our teaching lineage. If you consider the guru-puja > which is performed **at initiation **then you can guess which mantra. I > received it along with another one of SSRS's teachers who often stayed at > my house. According to that teacher, he also received the same maha-mantra > (it includes om).* > > > *I couldn't have asked for a better mantra. I use it after my tm-mantra > and before I perform sanyama on a few select sutras that work especially > well for me. * > > > *SSRS did tell me and that all the different bija-mantras naturally > merge into the om sound at the finest level. > * > > *BTW - the sankhya-yoga scholar said the same ... no problem with using > om if sheltered in a longer mantra. * > > > > >
