--- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > If that's your point, it's a bit odd that you were > > including me at all, since I was arguing that the > > intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is. > > **** > How do you know this Judy? > > Some people who claim to be enlightened, or appear to have a lot of > wisdom say that this is true. When they say it, it never appears to > be an "argument" for them, simply an innocent statement about how > they experience, or an expression of frustration about > communicating their experience. > > Is it a valid thing to *argue* "that the intellect cannot grasp > what enlightenment is" from the point of view of one who is not > enlightened? Does this not imply a strong adherence to a belief > rather than a statement of fact?
No, it's a logical deduction, as I went on to explain: > > I've said here and on alt.m.t a number of times that > > when you take any of MMY's teachings, or any authentic > > intellectual teaching about consciousness, and take > > it right down to the nitty-gritty, you end up in > > contradiction or infinite regress, which is what > > Self-reference looks like to the "mistaken" intellect. > > > > I quoted MMY as an example of that. > > > > And yes, what I just expressed is a concept, but > > it's a concept about the nature of the limits of > > the intellect, not about enlightenment per se. > > **** > These words have a coherent meaning. But they seem to side step the > questions that I posed above. I suggest you think again. Hint: I'm using "Self-reference" as a sort of synonym for the nature of enlightenment because MMY has indicated that's its nature. You could just substitute "enlightenment" for "Self-reference" if you like, although it isn't really necessary. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
