I'll go a round or two with him - tell him to look me up anytime.
________________________________ From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Mental Health, Hating, Turq, and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : My question to a particularly arrogant TM teacher who boasted about how many people he'd had kicked out (completely unreasonably I might add) was: Where are you going to send people in the age of enlightenment? Is there some sort of island unaffected by coherence waves they can all sit and regret not conforming to Marshy's ideals? What was his answer?? Quite a funny conversation actually, I really don't think he'd ever considered it before. If people transgressed what he saw as the highest ideals we should all strive for then they could find themselves out the door. He just assumed their lack of moral fibre was a symptom of lower consciousness and, come the glorious day, they will all have evolved to match us superior types who are already there (or not). It all struck me as a funny way to carry on but I had a lot of good chats with him, he declared that if anyone could prove that it was all a load of crap then he'd turn round and walk away without a second thought. I had a good go at convincing him but his faith was stronger than he thought. Or my arguments were less effective than I thought! From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Mental Health, Hating, Turq, and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : The Fairfield Mental Health Alliance October 5th Meeting Notes You asked: What did you think about (the Oct 5 meeting) last night? Look this has been about creating change and that meeting was a timely showing of some progress of change. The meeting was not the conclusive meeting but it does show the movement has changed some and all the people on stage help show the integration this is taking. On the left hand of the stage as the audience viewed it were all these different practicing clinical professionals who also have integrated alternative modalities in to their practices as they are useful and have basis, and then Pat on the right side clarifying and holding up the movement's franchise. Pat did quite a deft job clarifying on behalf of the movement and Maharishi. Afterall, it was a movement community meeting. Pat is really quite controlled smart, homey, funny, and theatrical all at once. I enjoyed watching him. It was really quite brilliant. This is the second meeting where he has spoken for our collective practical concern as to compassion and our working to help people solve mental health issues being essentially compassionate.. [very buddhistic? ] It will be very interesting to hear when that language of compassion gets picked up, adopted and used by spokespersons up the chain of TM command. That actually is extremely interesting that he is changing the inside by leading with that idea. It has always been said that TM is without heart, well then if it is not a trick then we see this movement of the movement from the upper level around this whole mental health thing is showing some heart, even though it took boxing them in to a corner to help them show it. This is quite a change. Funny how it hasn't always been there though isn't it? Most spiritual groups take the development of compassion as a given, how can you have personal growth without it? But you are correct, there is precious little of it in the TMO. Far more arrogance, elitism and an almost scary lack of self awareness. Not everyone of course but enough of the teachers to put me off for life. These are the overriding impressions I left the movement with. It was them that undermined the ideal I thought they stood for. How can they change without abandoning the idea that TM is all you need to do? If compassion isn;t there then pretending it is is just mood making surely? You see what I'm getting at, it's a central tenet that you just meditate and act naturally. Maybe you guys are the reformation that changes all that. Question of course now is the carry-through. There is more work to do to figure out the practical delivery of policy. The clinic, type of credentialed staffing, and how they are going to administrate those trip-wire questions on their forms. That MUM student who spoke in the Q and A was very effective at holding their feet to the fire once again in public. They got to come up with more compassion to show on that one for people to believe them. It is about showing change on their part. Compassion? Their administrative banishing of Tom Allen was not the timely example of any change there. Opps. An long-time old meditator and yes with criticisms of the organization which they were soliciting to hear, but an apostate? No, not then. Hurt now? yes. Not great timing for the handling of one of the poster persons of Fairfield Cares. It always baffled me that so many people are banished from the movement, shouldn't it all be hunky dory and brotherly love? My question to a particularly arrogant TM teacher who boasted about how many people he'd had kicked out (completely unreasonably I might add) was: Where are you going to send people in the age of enlightenment? Is there some sort of island unaffected by coherence waves they can all sit and regret not conforming to Marshy's ideals? Maybe what you've started is a way for the TMO to look at itself and the effect TM has on people, and how the power structure fails to produce the sort of results you'd expect from a supposedly higher teaching. Maybe you'll end up with a realistic appraisal of benefits to offer people so they don't get all excited and carried away about the hyperbole and consequently get so fed up a few years later. Criticism can only be a good thing here, it seems to me there are a lot of sacred cows to be led off to the slaughterhouse but if they aren't real and serve only to a) make money, and b) lead people into thinking there is more to TM than you've got a reasonable right to claim, then it's a good thing because you won't be too embarrassed to mention it any more. No more hiding yagya's and raja's from Oprah when she comes round. But yes, TM will be just another moderately effective meditation technique in the market place. Is that so bad? Incrementally the meeting was an important meeting strategically. It will be another step when they have the confidence to post the policy to point to on their webpage. -Buck in the Dome
