Does that mean that Marci did the hard work for the various Chicken Soup books
she co-authored? Because on most of them, she's listed last.
My guess is Kline was happy with the arrangement as she later co authored Love
For No Reason. Plus she wrote several Chicken Soup books herself, mostly about
pets.
From: feste37 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
I'm pretty sure that Marci didn't really write Happy for No Reason. The
book cover reads "Marci Shimoff, with Carol Kline," which is kind of
publisher's code for saying that Carol actually wrote the book. But for
marketing purposes, Marci is considered "the name," so she gets the main
credit. I have no doubt that Marci had a lot of input regarding what she wanted
to say, and in that sense the book is a collaboration, but the hard work of
actually writing it was done by Kline.
---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote :
OTOH, Marci also co-authored 2 other bestsellers: Happy For No Reason and Love
For No Reason.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
Exactly, Feste. That's what originally set my teeth on edge during the few
minutes I spent with Marci Shimoff. She was bragging about being a "bestselling
author" and I asked what exactly she had *done* on the one book (at the time)
she had "written." Answer? She had made a few taped interviews and then edited
some of the transcriptions that some flunky had made of them.
I hadn't realized until this subject came up that she was also one of the
driving personalities behind one of the biggest and
most-psychologically-destructive scams ever, "The Secret." I feel icky just
writing about her, so I think I'll stop now.
From: feste37 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
I've always found it irritating when the people whose names appear on the
covers of Chicken Soup books claim to be New York Times best-selling authors.
These people do not even write the books. At best they are editors and
compilers of collections of stories written by other people. I don't believe
that Marci ever wrote a word of the Chicken Soup books that bear her name.
---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
OK, thanks for making your position clear. You "trust" these people, so you
willcontinue to pass along something you now know to be untrue because of your
"positive impression." You ARE in on the deception with them.
Thanks for clarifying. I think we're done here...
From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
turq, it's simple: I know the 2 people personally and trust them. And in that
moment, on that call, I felt no intention to deceive from either of them.
That's why I didn't check what was said. And I stand by the positive impression
that I had.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
What's wrong with saying, "Iwas WRONG? Marci Shimoff is NOT 'the bestselling
female nonfiction author of all time,' even though (given your own story,
Share) she clearly intentionally allowed her friend to give me and a group of
people that impression."
THAT, at least, would be honest of you. To continue evading any responsibility
for repeating this fiction...uh...tends to convey the impression that you're in
on the deception yourself.
As for 'just repeating what you thought was true," several people have called
youover the years here on FFL on your tendency to do that WITHOUT CHECKING TO
SEE WHETHER WHAT YOU'RE REPEATING AS TRUTH REALLY WAS. You do this over and
over and over and over, with everything from repeating scare stories about
Ebola that aren't true to recommending health care people who are proven
quacks.
Do you really NOT feel that when you repeatsomething youare presenting as truth
you owe the people you're talking to a little effort to *find out if it's true*
first?
I'm pointing this out because it's part of a PATTERN among these ex-TMers who
went on to become New Age gurus . John Gray and Barbara De Angelis presented
themselves as Ph.Ds to further their Woo Woo careers *after buying those
"degrees" from a paper mill onthe Internet*. Do you think that might be
construed as a little...uh...dishonest? Marci Shimoff clearly believes it's OK
to allow one of her co-presenters to LIE about the extent of her book sales
during one of her classes. Do you think there might be a little something "off"
ethically about *that*?
And YOU, rather than just saying, "OK, I was really stupid. I just repeated
something that someone told me as truth without ever checking to see it was
true," you're bobbing and weaving and trying not to take any responsibility for
it. "Your conscience is clear" because you repeated some things that you
thought were true without doing *anything* to determine whether they *were*
true? What's up with that?
Why should we assume that you're not exhibiting this same pattern of
intentional deception that the other three people I mention are exhibiting?
Seems to me that if it looks like a duck and waddles like a duck, chances are
it's a duck.
From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The UltimateKool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
turq, my conscience is clear: I repeated what I thought was true. I now assume
the friend didn't have the exact details and was being enthusiastic. I now
assume the author was being gracious about her friend's enthusiasm. I'm
assuming the best. Why not?
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
So all *three* of you lied, orhave no regard whatsoever for the truth. Good to
know.
From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday,November 9, 2014 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
I repeated something about Marci that was said by one of her best friends
during a teleclass they were co-hosting. Marci did not correct her so I assumed
it was true.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
Still, you lied. Deal with it.
From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
Nope turq, I heard it from one of Marci's best friends and co hostess during a
teleclass. Neither one of them are associated with TM any more. And I own no
chicken soup books!
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
So you're trying to make the point that the world has terrible taste in
non-fiction? That's notnews. Me, I'll stick with "awful,mawkish, obvious,
painful, unbearable, unenjoyable, and scarring" and "a noxious sludge of
sentimental woo-woo." :-)
Besides, a quick scan of this page
http://www.abebooks.com/blog/index.php/2014/01/17/the-75-greatest-living-female-authors/
reveals that Marci Shimoff's name does not appear onit anywhere. The list
*does* comprise both fiction and non-fiction, but there are at least 7 female
authors on the list who write non-fiction, none of them Marci Shimoff.
I suspect you havedone your usual thing and have chosen to believe "marketing
fiction" created by Shimoff's publisher and accept it as if it were true. It
isn't. Marci Shimoff doesn't even have her own Wikipedia page, something one
might have expected if what you claim about her book sales were true.
In other words, ONCE AGAIN you've chosen to believe a lie that makes you feel
good about something/someone TM-related, rather than expend even the slightest
effort to see whether the lie was true.
In fact, *even on her OWN Web page*, Shimoff doesn't claim what yousaid. The
copy reads, "...one of the bestselling female nonfiction authors of all time,"
so it appears that you made up this particular lie ALL BY YOURSELF. What do you
have to say for yourself, Share?
From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
Jeez, turq, now you're blaming the TMO for chicken soup?! FYI, Jack Canfield
and Rick Hanson never lived in FF, though Marci Shimoff did. Read it and weep:
Marci Shimoff is the bestselling, non fiction, woman author of all time. Put
that in your pipe and smoke it.
PS Making any progress on that thorn in your paw?
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: FairfieldLife <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 3:47 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
.
Interesting article about a phenomenon that as I remember had its start in
Fairfield. Descriptions of this Literary Pinnacle Of Newage Crap in the article
like "awful, mawkish, obvious, painful, unbearable, unenjoyable, and scarring"
and "a noxious sludge of sentimental woo-woo" just don't do its
horriblenessitude justice.
Someone I had known back in the TM movement once tried set me up on a "coffee
date" with one of the Chicken Soup authors. It was horrific, almost theworst
date in my life (for the record, the worst was with Barbara De Angelis)...I
lasted less than five minutes before making some excuse and running away, and
had to wash my ears out in the coffeeshop restroom before I felt human again.
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