From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter
how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-)
I'll bet my Sunday lunch that the only reason Turq saw that comment by Willytex
is because you commented on it.
Your Sunday lunch is safe. I haven't read a post made by Richard Williams in
months. Life is too short to waste it on psychotics. I still read Nabby's posts
because he's merely an entertainingly neurotic blissninny, and occasionally I
need a laugh. :-)
It's the only reason I saw it too. Man, I'd hate to spend so much time online
and to discover I'd been so ineffective for so many years...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
Willytex can continue to "remind" people of anything he fuckin' wants...it
doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on
when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed
it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made
several *thousand* posts about it.
Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this
forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time.
There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-)
As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception*
is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality*
probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he
doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally
levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to
substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived
something, that *is* reality.
I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is
delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also
believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields
of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-)
From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and
Curti's claim that "knowledge is not different in different states of
consciousness" loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard
keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible
self-insight these two guy's are.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote :
On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008wrote:
Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, oneof these days he'll
even retract his extremely sillyjudgements on the Crop Circles.
>
"Adjusting his speak" - that's a good one!Apparently he already believes in
tall tales - he has yet to replyto Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go
figure.
"And I don't just meanexplaining things away, to be convincing you have to show
thatsomething more realistic happened, more credible and usingexplanations we
already understand and are known to happen incertain circumstances." -
salyavin808
>
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,<no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,<sharelong60@...> wrote :
Salyavin,I love your last paragraph: folklore in action;techno ghost stories
for the nuclear age. As forme, I believe there is life somewhere else inthe
vast universe. And I think they are morehighly advanced than us and maybe here
with us.And I think it's great.
Wecan believe what we like. I have no opinion onintelligent life elsewhere, we
don't know thevariables that allow for it to develop. Wecould be unique or the
universe could beteeming or maybe there's just one or two pergalaxy over it's
entire history. But thechances of there being other humanoidsvisiting Earth at
the just same time as we'veunderstood where we are cosmically? It
beggarsbelief. Alien craft is the least likelyexplanation for UFO's. But I hope
it'strue.
But atthat point, I'm more like turq. It doesn'treally impact my life one way
or the other.Either way, what is the action step? (-:
Idon't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolvingmyth. We are apparently on the
brink ofsomething called "disclosure". We've been herebefore a few times as I
recall, it neveramounts to much but it's fun watching the TB'sget excited that
their favourite daydream isto be officially confirmed.
Butit won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreyawon't appear. It's the way of
things. Theconnection between the two is that people wantthere to be more, want
there to be a reasonand for there to be salvation from a higherpower, whether
it's alien or spiritual. We'retalking deep human needs here.
From:salyavin808<no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM
Subject:[FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it onthe table: UFOs
---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,<no_re...@yahoogroups.com>wrote :
Saldoesn't like UFO's becausethey aren't scientific :-)
It's an interestingpoint Nabs. The thing isone can only getscientific about
somethingif it is available tostudy, UFO's are sofleeting and ephemeralthat
there really isn'tanything to study otherthan hearsay orsuspiciously absent
filmtaken by higher powers tokeep the whole thingsecret.
But a great manypeople have studied whatthey can about UFOsightings, and done
itwith as much rigour as youcan with such a paucity ofhard evidence. I'm
notsure there is an encounterthat hasn't got a betterexplanation that
doesn'tinvolve us being visitedby beings from anotherworld. And I don't
justmean explaining thingsaway, to be convincing youhave to show thatsomething
more realistichappened, more credibleand using explanations wealready
understand and areknown to happen in certaincircumstances. Eventesting soil
damage andskin burns for alternativecauses. People are beingscientific about
UFO's.
But here's the thingyou overlook in your quip,I've been interested inUFO's for
as long as Iremember, I've a got ashelf full of the classicbooks on the
subject. Eventhe true believer stufffrom "serious" researcherslike Timothy Good
and theabductionists like BudHopkins. I bet I know allthe great encounters
byheart - Cortile, Ramirez,Roswell, Pascagoula,Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham...
I love it but Idon't take it at facevalue. Tome, UFO's are folklore inaction.
The evolving mythof abduction and what theyare supposedly doing hereare the
legends of ourtime, a new religion,encapsulating our fearsabout technology
andpromising us freedom fromour destructive ways, yetalways remainingremarkably
evidence free.There's always a newvision to add to themythos but
convenientlynever any hard evidence tohelp decide one way or theother. And the
longer thatscenario goes on the moreconvinced any casualobserver should be that
weare kidding ourselves,because deep down we likeghost stories and that'sreally
what they are.Something scary alwaysjust out of reach. Technoghost stories for
thenuclear age.
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---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,<steve.sundur@...>wrote :
I didn't reallyread what sal haswritten below, but Ithink the gist of it
is,that he doesn't like theperson who coined theword "flying saucer"
Is that whathis dissertation isabout this time?
---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,<no_re...@yahoogroups.com>wrote :
Thereis not oneastronaut whohas NOTreported seeingUFO's, sometimeshuge and in
largenubers, back toNASA and/or theirfamilies.
---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,<no_re...@yahoogroups.com>wrote :
---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,<no_re...@yahoogroups.com>wrote :
IfGordon is notcrazy, thenthe Americangovernment
ispurposefully,mindfully,ABSOLUTELYevil.
If there arealiensvisiting usand we're notbeing told --it robs everyperson
onEarth.
EVERY PERSONON EARTH.
Neither you,nor I, noranyone evercould possiblybe who we arenow if we knewthat
UFOs arereal.
IT. WOULD.CHANGE.EVERYTHING.
And that's whyit might bekept a secret-- the concept"money" wouldbe bereft
ofallure.
If you saythat it wouldNOT be "allthat much of abig deal, cuzeveryone's
soinured alreadyby Hollywoodfilms," thenYOU DON'T KNOWJACK SHITABOUTPSYCHOLOGY.
Every personin every way: changed.
Agreed.Luckily Idon;t supposeit will cometo that. Whichis a shame asI'd be
thehappiestperson onEarth if itturned outthat UFO'swere alienspacecraft,but the
truthof sightingsalways turnsout to be moremundane.
Takethe name"flyingsaucers",everyone seessaucer shapedcraft but thename is
amistake fromthe firstencounteranyone had.Kenneth Arnold(anexperiencedpilot)
saw asquadron ofhighlyreflectivecrescentshapedaircraftflying atgreat speed ina
V formationover the Rockymountains in1947. Hedescribed themas flying likea
saucer wouldif skippedacross water.
Ajournalistmade up thename flyingsaucer andafter thateveryone sawsaucer
shapedcraft whenthey sawsomethingmysterious inthe sky. Thepower
ofsuggestion.Sadly there'sno such thingas a reliablewitness andany one can
befooled, Arnoldmost likelysaw a flock ofpelicans andmistook themfor
unknownaircraft andmiscalculatedtheir distancefrom him. Weall makemistakes
butthe influencehis mistakehad isimmeasurable.
Becausewe people areso unreliable,if I had tobet I wouldsay thatCooper
sawsomeatmosphericeffect fromflying atsupersonicspeed that noone hadnoticed
beforeand mistook itfor real craftmoving abovehim.
Andearly radarwas hopelesslyunreliable,the UK airdefence systemin the coldwar
was alwaystelling usthat giantUFOs werecrossing thenorth sea butwhen planeswere
scrambledto look itturned out tohave beentemperatureinversionsconfusing
theequipment.When theseanomalies wereunderstood andironed out UFOreportsstopped
comingin. It's theway it goes,people seestuff andimaginationplugs anygaps,
popularculture isrife withimagery thatcame beforethe sightings.I can't
trustmyself letalone anyoneelse!
Iwould like tosee this filmthey tookthough but, Idon't supposewe ever
will.That's the way
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