---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Ahh, Sal, your reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! Oh good! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You may know it as Christmas shopping, I prefer the term Crimbo, or Crimble, because it removes the last vestige of religion from what is basically a massive Pagan piss up and consumer greed frenzy. Some people still get all Nativity and Jesus about it but not me, even though I like the bible stories it's more an all-things-to-all-men festival. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Shhh! Keep it down, they might read this. Seriously, I do tell them and there's a multitude of responses from blank ignoring to asking me what it's like. I've only had a few lectures about how mindfulness is rubbish compared to TM because blah, blah, concentrating blah, blah, only works because the mind gives up etc. But people who actually like you don't care what you do. As long as you don't do it on the dome, which I wouldn't anyway. One observation is that I only like it and get results because I've been doing TM for so long, and there's no way to prove otherwise but it's always said in a kind of "you owe it to us" way. I can't see the harm in discussing it but TM teachers would change the subject in a centre I think. I'd try it just to see but the local teachers don't like me much so I never go round LOL. Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and "other techniques" when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and "other techniques." This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked "How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time?" what would that poor governor say? Like I say above I guess. They'd say: if he hadn't done TM for 20 years he wouldn't be having good mindful experiences. And then you can go on to explain the differences as discoursed incorrectly by Marshy in his "why TM is best" lecture and then introduce the "Only have your feet in one boat at a timet" anecdote and your home and dry! I would have made a good TM teacher I think. I still remember the shpiell. I might do it and start a new career. From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as "unstressing" that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : "but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking" This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for "popularizing" meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the "I talked to Marshy" deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says "You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you" Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself! But I can't help thinking they'd all be more at odds with each other.The eastern and western religions really were different, the old testament god was a total wanker, vindictive and merciless. And the eastern ones were all fundamentalist, caste based anti-feminist fatalists. When did it all change, how come they are like a big new age happy family? They'd be smiting each other as badly as they used to do us. I'm starting to smell a rat.... If only he'd given the Scientologists a message from Xenu. Then we'd know he was in touch with the Great Ones and not just stringing us a line from a daydream he had. From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote : Everyone is "merged" with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round!