--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what > > > > you want to say here without resorting to the use > > > > of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice > > > > ("deciding," "making," "denying," "believing"). > > > > > > Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking > > > responsibility > > > > And then one can claim authorship of one's > > enlightenment. *I* did it! > > > > <snip> > > > I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and > > > responsibility with disrespect and hostility > > > > No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains > > to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a > > need to defend one's sense that one should be able to > > take personal credit for one's enlightenment. > > Hi Judy- it was an interesting thing, and very much in line with > what you are saying here, that when I was looking for that quote > earlier about the Self unfolding by itself, I googled it, and guess > what? It was you that came up in the results as the first one to > have posted the quote, that I was then able to use!
Oh, now, this was fun. Out of curiosity, I did the same, to see what the context was. That was a neat discussion, and a nice bit of ego-boo for moi to see my post "enshrined" like that. Thanks for the pointer! > Having said that, this is the eternal conundrum associated with > enlightenment; uncovering the Self. Everyone, and rightly so, > perceives the process to it differently. Rory speaks in terms of > intentionality, taking credit if you will, and he is right. You, on > the other hand persist in saying it happens by itself. Also right! Maybe *this* is the "difference in some respect" between enlightenment and ignorance I keep talking about. But it still seems to me that the ego is involved (very possibly in both claims). > The key as I see it, is to begin to identify with that which would > make itself known, our Selves. Which I haven't seen you contradict > or disagree with yet... Well, of course not. I just insist--not theoretically but on the basis of my own experience--that the process of identifying more and more with the Self is nonintentional. That's from the "perspective" of *ignorance*, of course, in which intention is the (apparent) function of the self. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
