I don't know of any Christian church that will accept abortion as OK or
advisable unless the mother's life is endangered. I'm sure there are some that
may not talk about it for fear of seeming judgmental or driving away those that
won't listen. Warning someone of the consequences of sin is not being
judgmental, it's practical advice. I am willing to say the same goes for any
other religion. A devout Hindu or devout Buddhist may say nothing but I can
almost guarantee that they shrug their shoulders and think, "it's their karma,
not mine". Their are people in every faith that don't practice it or only
mildly. Christ called them luke warm and said he would spew them out in the
end. He demands people that are on fire for Him. Maharishi wanted people that
were *one pointed* , on the program. If you aren't, he didn't waist time with
you. All or nothing. I guess thats OK as long as you aren't told that Killing
infidels via Jihad is the best guaranteed method to heaven.
From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
Yes, every religion can be shown to have its hypocrisy, but this insistence
that abortions cannot be performed according to the choice of the woman who is
pregnant, is only prevalent in radical Christianity, and radical Islam. Not all
Christian sects are against abortion, and not all Muslim countries forbid it.
But those at the mercy of the radical preachers of both religions, are pawns,
imo. To them I would say, You simply don't have the right, or the authority, to
control my life. Go get perfect, first, and then we'll talk, but no butting in
line.:-) The more moderate sects of both Christianity and Islam understand
this. It is only the radical elements of both of these religions who insist on
this complete invasion of personal choice.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
*Innocent Life,* the unborn don't fly jets into buildings or commit any other
criminal or hostile act. Killing in Self- defense is justifiable. I believe I
mentioned earlier that Abortion is acceptable when the mother's life is
threatened.If you are concerned about hypocrisy, Christians aren't alone.
Everybody can be labeled Hypocrites one way or another. Can you name one
religious/spiritual group that doesn't have *qualifications* as to who receives
salvation or liberation. etc?And each believes theirs is superior to
others.Look no further than TM! Everyone has their limitations and
understanding of religion and spirituality. If you have followed Maharishi's
teachings you will know that we are born into our lives based on our karma,
which dictates the circumstances of our lives and how and what values we grow
up with to experience life. If you were born into a Judeo-Christian culture,
those are the values you are meant to experience life from. In India, from that
perspective. A Muslim, that perspective and so on. That is your dharma and how
you grow. This is why Maharishi used to say, one doesn't need to change
religions to practice TM successfully. Add TM to whatever you are and you'll be
better. Everyone has a different understanding based on their ability to
understand. We all start from somewhere. The question is, where do we finish
up? Follow your dharma for maximum growth. Gita says, it's better to die within
your dharma, even if done poorly than to die in someone else's dharma, even if
well done. If you were born a Jew , then be one but practice TM. If you were
born a Christian, then be one but practice TM. If you were born a Muslim...., a
Hindu... etc. but practice TM. BTW, if you think you can convert to be a Hindu,
you can't. Speak to any Vedic priest,. he'll tell you pretty much what I just
said. And if you insist, dude, just imagine starting at the bottom of the
barrel, as an untouchable, so you learn the full scope of what it is to be a
real Hindu! LOL. No thanks!
From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
It is cherry-picking, led by the radical Christian pastors. If the sanctity of
human life is so important, where are the anti-war demonstrations by the
Christians? Those aren't fetuses we are bombing, and invading, they are fully
grown human beings, men, women and yes, children, but not a peep from the
anti-abortion crowd about their maiming and slaughter.
I think it is because of the hypocrisy of their position - I once heard a
Christian pastor say that a dog could not get into Heaven, unless it was a
Christian dog (no kidding). The same justification is used for killing Muslims.
What I would like to see is all of the Christians taking responsibility for the
tragic loss of life that occurs due to our government's actions, including war.
This picking on the poor souls that undergo abortions is bullying and
hypocrisy, imo. It is a radical religious view held by those who wish to
continue the co-dependent relationship they have with their flocks. These
preachers are a lot like the politicians, framing the (conveniently
insurmountable) "problems" and "issues" that their congregations face, ensuring
their followers will feel both bereft, and beholden to the churches. What a
scam.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Actually, I believe I was giving a non religious explanation against abortion.
The very founding documents, our nation are built upon, recognizes our
unalienable(can not be denied) rights to *Life* liberty and the pursuit of
happiness. You can't have liberty or happiness without Life. These rights are
attributed to an All Mighty Creator because if such a thing existed, who is
anyone to deny them? The very same person that wrote those words also wrote
about the concept of a separation of Church and state. So, they are separate
issues. The basic human rights recognized by the government are not religion
based.
From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
This whole abortion "debate" seems like such a set up. Why proclaim that due
to religious principles, abortion is murder, or that gay marriage is sin, and
then live in the USA? I am not suggesting such believers should leave, though
it seems like an awful lot of heartache to go through, to insist on a religious
truth so strenuously, that to have the opposite practiced by some, becomes a
constant thorn in the believer's side. Who wants to live like that? It seems
like a set up, designed to cause the believers additional pain, and have them
become co-dependent on such ideas, and the organizations that publicize them.
Life is tough enough, imo.
And the issue is NOT that the Christians cannot live by their beliefs. No one
is insisting *they* get abortions or participate in gay marriage. However, they
and the radical pastors that preach to them have determined that both of these
issues are somehow unholy, and their very practice is an abomination against
God. This in no way begins to validate the freedom of each of us to live our
lives as we see fit. Religious barriers, no matter how well intentioned, are
better practiced personally, vs. imposed on anyone else. I also see a lot more
commonality between the fundamentalists of any religion, be they Christians or
Muslims, than any side is willing to admit.
I do agree that there is a natural law in back of all of this, which we are all
personally held to, and responsible for. However, each of us has to make that
judgment of ourselves independently. No one can do this for us, or impose it on
us, no matter how convinced of their truths they may be.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
We hold these truths to be self evident... certain unalienable Rights,among
these are LIFE! Unalienable is defined as, *can not be denied*. Without the
most fundamental right of life, no other rights matter. When does life begin?
Theologically, that is open to discussion. Biologically, it begins when
Conjoined DNA begins to divide. It is the very beginning of life, it's
self.That DNA is not the mother's, it's not the father's, it is the unique DNA
of separate human being with all of it's potential from beginning to end. It
has a right that can not be denied. Socially and theologically speaking, that
unalienable right to life is considered sacred as long as it is innocent.
Violate specific laws of society and that sacred value can be forfeited by the
law breaker, it's his conscious decision. But never was it intended to to be
denied on a basis of someone else's circumstances/ convenience. Do we really
want to go down that road? Hitler did, as did many other tyrants and they have
been traditionally labeled as EVIL, even Anti-Christ. I speak in biological
terms of life because we value our society in secular terms and spiritual
values are not considered valid anymore because certain people don't want
other's religions imposed upon them..
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
To me, black and white thinking takes on the cloak of "casual, indifferent,
etc.", or "blasé," if you will. The remark "Oh shit! I missed my period! I'm
really *f"ed* now!" seemed off the cuff and appeared to indicate a prejudiced
and surficial understanding of the issue...."blasé."
Curiously, Mike, do you believe in the soul? Do you believe in the eternal
soul? Do you believe that the soul dies along with a potential life that was
aborted by the mother, a potential life that could not survive independently at
6 weeks and that even nature aborts naturally at times (called miscarriages).
Do you believe that it could be possible that if there is a soul, that the soul
may "live" to incarnate in a different host/mother? Just food for thought.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
I draw the line with *murder* as one human willfully killing another innocent
human. There's manslaughter, accidents etc.Then there is killing for food.I can
admire one who observes ahimsa as going above and beyond the call of duty as a
penance.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
"My blase attitudes", did I get that right? How can anything be more blase than
to sweep away and destroy an innocent human life because you're not ready to be
responsible for*it* yet? It's freaking murder! A women's right to murder? The
Supreme Court will wake up one day, just as they did when they ruled one human
can not own another or that Slaves were not 3/5ths of a human being, because
"all men are created equal" under the law. That took two hundred years to get
right , but it happened. Science is moving the understanding of life forward
very fast. If the science of DNA can put a person in prison for life for a
crime, it will save a life that is innocent of a crime. It's not her body that
she kills. FYI, all person's involved in the creation of another, need to be
equally responsible for that life. Yes, that presents new social problems but
the first rule is do no harm to innocent life.
I love your passion, Mike. I am of the belief that all lives are created equal.
When I say that I mean ALL lives. Human or animal. Blasphemous? Perhaps. Maybe.
Likely. To kill any thing is a kind of murder. Killing a fetus is destroying
life. Butchering a terrified, bleating cow is destroying a life. Euthanizing an
old and decrepit dog is destroying a life. Is life sacred? Probably. What is
sacred? Anything that is created. Is allowing something to live sometimes
opening the way for suffering? Yes. Is destroying a life sometimes decreasing
the chances of suffering? Yes. Is it better to overdose a dangerous horse with
phenyl barbital so it doesn't kill somebody merciful? Is aborting an unwanted
baby the right thing to do? Is there ever the justification for causing death
of a living being? It all gets so complicated. Is the death penalty ever
warranted? Are unwanted, unloved, abused children happy to have been given the
chance to live despite the fact they may have been conceived by rape? I can't
answer this but what I do know is that human beings are given hundreds of
chances to make choices every moment of every day and the freedom to make those
choices must remain intact.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
There is another issue I'd like to comment on about ignorant men thinking they
know all about pregnancy and childbirth and raising children on their own with
no support—particularly the ones that think they should judge, condemn, and
legislate women's rights. Yes, Mike, it's the girl "who missed her period"
that's at fault, right? Not the boy or man with the raging hormones who
pressured her and pressured her and pressured her to give in to his desires and
then left the scene.....give me a break.
I'm not saying you shouldn't stand by your religious convictions, but maybe you
ought to dig a little deeper into your "blasé" attitudes.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among
these are *Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness*- That to secure these
rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from
the consent of the governed.Your right to *privacy* will not stand against
another person's right to Life.... much longer, religion or no religion. You
will need to abolish the first amendment that grants freedom of political
speech and freedom of religion first. Everyone knows that the overwhelming
majority of abortions in this country are simply birth control, "Oh shit! I
missed my period! I'm really *f"ed* now!" It's rarely about health or life of
the mother. Fifty-three million abortions can not account for that. ""Why would
I want my daughter to be *punished* with a child?" Obama's words, not mine.
This is the mind set of *Me first* and to hell with what's right. It is the
purest of evil and it will not stand.
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
Whether you like it or not, abortion is legal in this country. To jeopardize
the health of poor women because of your religious convictions is untenable.
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