--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> <snip>
> > > The Shiva Sutras
Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on my
Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to ("bidirectional")M-effect:
lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi is [a cause
of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in Sanskrit
word order is rather free, so both "samaadhi-sukham" and
"lokaanandaH" can be considered the subject or topic, or whatever).
have a sloka(?) that specifically
> > > states that you become realized only through your own
> > > effort, nothing else.
Perhaps II 2: pra_yatnaH saadhakaH ??
> >
> > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes:
> >
> > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or
> > pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and
> > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering.
> > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves!
>
> As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you
> were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we are
> delighted to find that every one of them was just
> our Self all along!"
>
> > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of
> > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would
be
> > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't
> > really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would
> > hypothetically remain in ignorance...
>
> Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have
> appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the
> perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's
> no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves.
>
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