--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe I read a bad translation!
Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham": 18. Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoying the world. Exposition - When established in pure thought and having achieved self-realization, one knows the conscious void that supports the entire world. Subsequent to the knowledge of conscious void that manifests and retains the visible world on the support of visible body, there remains no difference between so-called worldly pleasures and the delight of samadhi. This is because the basic cause that is manifested and is experienced in both is one and the same the awakened consciousness. -------------- But for that kind of translation I would expect some modifier in the suutra like "like" - "iva" [ee-vah]: lokaananda [BTW: loka + aananda] iva samaadhi-sukham > > --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > The Shiva Sutras > > > > Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on > > my > > Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to > > ("bidirectional")M-effect: > > > > lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi > > is [a cause > > of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in > > Sanskrit > > word order is rather free, so both "samaadhi-sukham" > > and > > "lokaanandaH" can be considered the subject or > > topic, or whatever). > > > > > > > > have a sloka(?) that specifically > > > > > states that you become realized only through > > your own > > > > > effort, nothing else. > > > > Perhaps II 2: pra_yatnaH saadhakaH ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: > > > > > > > > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the > > Self in Unity, or > > > > pick your own description, we pray and exhort > > Gods, Godesses, and > > > > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our > > suffering. > > > > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by > > our Selves! > > > > > > As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you > > > were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we > > are > > > delighted to find that every one of them was just > > > our Self all along!" > > > > > > > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a > > duality of > > > > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or > > someGod else would > > be > > > > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by > > ourselves, we can't > > > > really know exactly what we have done, and by > > extension would > > > > hypothetically remain in ignorance... > > > > > > Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we > > have > > > appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From > > the > > > perspective of enlightenment--I would > > assume--there's > > > no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living</a>. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
