--- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > > Tom T responds: > > This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold those extreme > > values inside one human mind and live with that paradox. If you have > > any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above and ponder on > > that for a while. This is the exposition and playing out of the > > Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony toon character and > > on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva, go try and > > figure it out and you can't. That is the definition of Brahman. > > I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her > > enlightenment as "delightful confusion". Delightful because it was and > > confusion because the mind was never going to figure it out. Not now > > Not ever. Tom T > > > Perhaps you can take insight from Dr. Pete, below. You can speak for > yourself and your experience, but not really for others. > > > ============ > All valid observations and insights that you need to > temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the > validity of another's experience. You can only talk > about what you experience, not another. <snip> > Amen. > Dr. PS > ============= > Perhaps Tom meant to say, > > This is the value of Brahman for me. Only what I call Brahman can hold > those extreme values inside my mind and live with that paradox. If you > have any doubt left about what I experience as the nature of Brahman, > see above and ponder on that for a while and see if you get the same > insight that I do. For me, this is an experience of the exposition and > playing out of the Jaimini sutras. I percieve, and hey it may be my > ownlimitations, but on one hand is the realtive loony toon character > and on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva. When I > go try and figure it out, it am profoundly confused -- in a good way. > I just for the life of me can't figure it out. Maybe you can, at least > its worth a try. But that profound confusion, that is the definition > of Brahman for me. I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, > describe her enlightenment as "delightful confusion". Delightful > because it was and confusion because it appeared to my mind that her > mind was never going to figure it out. Not now, Not ever am I ever > going to figure it out.
While there are a number of examples that could be drawn upon, the above is handy and illustrates a point I have been pondering. (Thus it is not specific to Tom, but illustrative of a type of thinking and proclamation.) It seems to me, that a characteristic of cults are leader(s) who proclaim a (near) universal message which applies to most if not all. Fundamental truths and insights applicable to all. A second characteristic often is that there is often a mystical claim to such insight, via enlightenment, tradition, intuition, cognition, or other mystical means of knowledge outside of rational explanation. Examples might be "its vedic", "MMY's latest thinking is", "the knowledge", "Its my intuition", I'm enlightened and you are not so you can't undertand what I am saying", "this is an unsolvable mystery, no one can ever figure it out", "its in the bible", "the founding fathers said so", "the tarot cards said", "my jyotish chart said", "AV says to do ..", "south facing entrances", etc. It appears to me, certainly no proof implied, just a shared insight, that the original statement about Brahman above, have these two characteristics. In contrast, the re-written suggested text seems characteristic of a free-thnking, humble seeker (or knower). In terms of purpose, both statements appear to seek communicate something, an insight, that may be useful to others, so that others can chew on it, and if "nutritious", to digest and incorporate into their own word view. To me, the latter is far more effective and inviting. And it doesn't have heavy-handedness of cultish procliamations "this is the way it is, period. This interprestation of reality is the only valid one. period. And it is known by means way beyond you. So just take it without questioning." ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
