Re: [FairfieldLife] Cultsim and Free Seekers

[Vaj]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 8:36 PM, anonymousff wrote: To me, the latter is far more effective and inviting. And it doesn't have heavy-handedness of cultish procliamations "this is the way it is, period. This interprestation of reality is the only valid one. period. And it is known by means way beyond you. So just take it without questioning." One of the reasons an enlightened being will typically not talk about enlightenment or even their own enlightenment is because this is, except for some generalities, of little help in awakening the true state of enlightenment in others. In other words, it's a very inefficient way to introduce that state (either temporarily or permanently) in students. It's interesting the culture that has developed in the west from the satsangs of Ramana, Nisargadatta and Papaji. It's nothing like the sadhanas that lead them to the non-dual state in the first place. Ramana was a devotee of Kali who had numerous non-dual sadhanas. But he did not teach that to his student (that I am aware of). And Nisargadatta had a Nath guru who undoubtedly taught him some great teaching which lead to his ripening and liberation. But he also would not even talk of these teachings in any detail. They gave no methods for the masses that flocked to them like the ones they themselves used. But laughingly, those who emulate their examples merely parody there darshans as if that will do it. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Even Papaji said none of his students received his final teaching--the final stroke. They were just leeches. But those who tasted--glimpsed--the View of non-duality abruptly claimed it as their own. And then they declared satsangs of their own. And they declared themselves enlightened on their own...even after people like Papaji told them, no, sorry. It's like the old saying 'those who know, don't say; those who say, don't know.' Worth remembering. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.