--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When someone
> writes of an experience they have had, I 
> usually get a non-verbal "hit" on what they've
> written that has nothing to do with the words.
> As Vaj has mentioned with regard to "Advaitaspeak,"
> *anyone* can talk the talk.  What I'm looking for
> is something that underlies the words that con-
> vinces me that the experience the person is 
> talking about really happened. That "something,"
> for me, can only be felt intuitively.
> 
> I guess my point is that I think *everyone* does
> the same thing, and feels intuitively which of
> the experiences discussed here are real and which
> might not be.  

Yes, I tink everyone goes through that process when experiences are
discussed. Though, to my memory, few have been discussed recently and
none have been criticized. Thus the puzzlement about Peter's and Jim's
recent assertions this morning. The assertions seem like old snakes
rattling round in the cage, memories of some past scars, not current
events.

It is a quandry when someone speaks of their Enlightenment Experience,
and it doesn't ring true. Or simply garbles up some apparently
internalized advaitaspeak. That does nothing to further knowledge and
understanding.

Politeness and kindness move one towards no comment, just stone
silence. Not wanting to even raise quite polite and civil points
because they are often backlashed with chilly responses, not on the
point of inquiry, but why the questioner is personally fucked up,
angry, resentful and/or hostile.  

And yet, silence can at times, by some, be interpreted as acquiesence,
a mild support for what is said. And in cases where blather exists,
the blather continues.

I ask the opposite, and inverted, question of Peter's: why not more
questioning of experience postings? Not hostility and personal
attacks. Those are tedious, immature and silly. But it appears fair,
productive, even noble, and certainly part of the spirit of this list
to ask for clarification of experiences. And to raise other points of
view. To contrast one's own experience or those of others with the
Experience poster's. And to discuss how some traditions view such an
experience -- which may not always be "the highest of all things" --
and may deflate a sensitive and insecure poster a bit. 







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