--- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > And although on some superficial level it may be true that the "vibratory > > influence" of the mantra causes TM to work, ultimately, the benefits result > > from aligning oneself with the "impulse of intelligence" or Devata that the > > mantra represents. > > Is there any way to tell whether TM's influence results > from the mantra's vibe or from the experience of pure > consciousness, which is what happens when the mantra > fades away? > > The old TM explanation always made sense to me -- that > the mantra is a sound that tends to go away, leaving one's > awareness without an object; leaving it aware of awareness > itself. > > This notion that TM's benefits come from the sound's vibration, > or from an entity associated with that sound, seems primitive. > Inelegant. Sub-Occam. But as I ask above, who can tell?
Another of MMY's descriptions is that TM is like diving--you take the correct angle and then let go. The mantra, presumably, is the "angle" in this metaphor. But can you extend the metaphor to say that different mantras take different angles, and that different angles are "correct" for different people? If so, what would an "angle" be that varies from mantra to mantra, but the different vibrations of those mantras? > We have lots of people here who've used TM mantras at > some length. I'd love to read people's experiences in terms > of what each of us has observed firsthand in all these > decades of using our mantras. Get this discussion out > of the realm of theory and into our direct experiences. My experience for some time has been that the mantra is no longer a sound I can hear with my inner ear but rather, in some sense, a direction. That may mean just that my inner ear isn't sufficiently subtle to hear the mantra at that level, but I'm inclined to link what seems to me to have the quality of a direction with MMY's "correct angle" metaphor. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
