--- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- Rick Archer wrote:
> > 
> > And although on some superficial level it may be true that 
the "vibratory
> > influence" of the mantra causes TM to work, ultimately, the 
benefits result
> > from aligning oneself with the "impulse of intelligence" or 
Devata that the
> > mantra represents.
> 
> Is there any way to tell whether TM's influence results 
> from the mantra's vibe or from the experience of pure 
> consciousness, which is what happens when the mantra 
> fades away?
> 
> The old TM explanation always made sense to me -- that
> the mantra is a sound that tends to go away, leaving one's
> awareness without an object; leaving it aware of awareness
> itself.
> 
> This notion that TM's benefits come from the sound's vibration,
> or from an entity associated with that sound, seems primitive.
> Inelegant. Sub-Occam. But as I ask above, who can tell?
> 
> We have lots of people here who've used TM mantras at 
> some length. I'd love to read people's experiences in terms 
> of what each of us has observed firsthand in all these 
> decades of using our mantras. Get this discussion out 
> of the realm of theory and into our direct experiences.
>

Thereby pulling the flower up by the roots...






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