--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless
> > and do not require concentration.
> 
> You must've missed the "TM is not effortless" thread here sometime  
> ago.

I recall a really hilarious post from you that purported
to show how the TM checking routine "proves" TM is not
effortless.

Oddly enough, you canceled that post not long after.

> TM is *easy* but not truly effortless. And there are many *easy*  
> meditation methods out there and there are *effortless* forms of  
> meditation but they are not necessarily *easy* to do correctly.
> 
> It seems like we're mincing words when we talk about this, but 
> styles of meditation which are truly effortless are typically forms 
> of non-meditation. And there is a big difference.
> 
> Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort.

What *exactly* did he say?  I've heard that what he said
was "TM is effortless effort."

I would maintain that those who don't think TM is
effortless *are not doing it effortlessly*.






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