--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a couple of points: > > --- In [email protected], defenders_of_bhakti > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > I agree. Actually, I was just trying to poke some fun on > > the 'walking meditation' supposedly more effortless than > > TM according to some here. > > The meditation *component* of it is, IMO, more > effortless than TM, in that there is no specific > intent -- no mantra, no instruction to focus on > anything in particular, nada.
There is no specific intent during TM, either (much less instruction to focus on anything in particular). > . . . > > > I also don't see, why classical mindfulness, not using a prop > > (mantra), would be therefore more effortless. After all focusing > > ones attention, be it on the breath, ones environment (the > > moment), ones activity, or ones internal thought-processes, is > > just an induced activity as well, otherwise there would be no > > need for instruction or a retreat to learn it, it would be just > > a spontaneaus occurance. > > You seem to have missed the posts in which I mentioned > that the techniques I'm talking about are *not* mindfulness, > which IMO definitely has a specific intent. In the techniques > I'm talking about, there is no intent and nothing to focus > on. It's merely a process of just *noticing* what is already > going on, *not* focusing on it or directing it in any way. > Nothing is "induced," nothing focused upon; the only instruc- > tion is along the lines of "notice what is going on rather > than distract yourself from it." > > The instruction is needed only because most people in the > world *do* distract themselves from what is going on inside > them and around them, constantly. The point of this simple > technique is that there is a value in not doing so. > > Ok...you can go back to arguing about whose techniques > and belief systems are "best" now. I just wanted to > correct your misstatement of what I've said. > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
