--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > <snip> > > > Ok I checked the video.About 5 minutes into it, it says, > > > > > > On Sept 6, 3150 put options on AA 4x daily put volume average. > > > On Sept 7, 27,294 put options on Boeing 5x daily put volume average. > > > On Sept 10, 4516 put options on AA 11x daily put volume average. > > > > > > So both were cited. There were more than 3x Boeing options than > > American. > > > > > > The above 11x is quite a bit smaller than 60x or "nearly 100x" cited > > > by artical and you. 11x "seems" in normal range. 100x does seem > > high. > > > And it all hinges on what period one uses for averaging. I will > > take a > > > look at the raw data (one of these days, maybe sooner) and provide > > an > > > assessment. > > > > I can't speak to the specific figures. But here's an > > article from the San Francisco Chronicle from September > > 29, 2001, that discusses the anomalies in more general > > terms: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/hc6tk > > > > And a follow-up from October 3: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/fh3sl > > > > Here's one from April 2003 from the Sierra Times > > in Nevada (not really mainstream but goes into > > some detail): > > > > http://www.sierratimes.com/03/04/10/gaddy.htm > > > > From CNN.com, September 24, 2001: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/ho227 > > > > And the News Telegraph (UK), September 23, 2001: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/j943h > > > > > Article 1) > "Investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they > made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. > 11 terrorist attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades > and market data. > > The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors -- whose > identities and nationalities have not been made public -- had advance > knowledge of the strikes." > > So now we are down to a windfall of 2.5 million for creating 9/11? > > I don't get it. Who bought the puts? The high jackers? Did they think > Allah would resurrect their physical bodies after the "impact". They > would have to be crazy or christian to beelieve that. > > > > > --- > > Article 2) > > "The Investment Dealers Association of Canada told its 190 members > that the SEC has identified 38 companies -- including the parent firms > of United and American airlines, which lost four aircraft -- whose > shares were traded at abnormally high levels in the weeks prior to the > attacks, suggesting that buyers and sellers had advance knowledge of > planned terrorist acts." > > > Ok,fine. What specifically was "abnormal"? Let us verify it. My point > is that I am not rejecting the idea that there was anomolous trading, > but not one has presented the verifiable data, or specific trades that > indicate this. All easily done. So my base hypothesis is that many > regional newspapers - ESPECIALLY the SF CHRONICLE are whores that picl > up stories without any origianl investigation. > > > Article 3) > > "An examination of "put options" during this period with the > above-mentioned companies would reveal the following: > On Sept. 6, 2001, the Thursday before the tragedy, 2,075 put options > were made on United Airlines and on Sept. 10, the day before the > attacks, 2,282 put options were recorded for American Airlines. Given > the prices at the time, this could have yielded speculators between $2 > mirofit?w > llion and $4 million in profit. This averages out to 75 times the > number of normal activity on these entities." BFD. is the premise that > 9/11 was "created" so some "insider" speculators could make 2-4 > million profit? I mean how loony conspiratorial is this? > > > > Artcle 4 ) > > "Germany's central bank governor, Ernst Welteke, says there were signs > of suspicious movements in oil and gold prices before the attack. > Investigators in Europe are also looking at trading in insurance and > airline stocks." > > um, "suspicions" and "looking" are the key words. Key missing words > are "found" "definitive" and "statistically significant". > > > Article 5 > > He reported an unusual rise in oil prices before the attacks. This > could mean that people had bought oil contracts, and later sold them > at a higher price. Gold-market movements also "needed explaining". > > OK. A lead to investigate. What future contracts,in what exchanges. > What was SD of the "anomoly over a 3month period. > > Vaguen induendos and secondary sources are hardly anargument. > > > "Gold, a traditional refuge for investors in times of crisis, has > risen in price each day since the attack. Oil prices soared 13 per > cent within 24 hours of the atrocities." Well, um who whould expect > other wise. The issue is was there significant "insider trading" prior > to the attack. No evidence presented. > > ====== > > > Overall, nothng of substance presented. I am open to, quite eager to > validate actual, the hypothesis that statistically abnormal trading > occured in airline stocks, gold, oil or whatever occured just prior to > 9/11. Just show me the SPECIFIC DATA or better yer, the actual > STATISTICAL analysis that indicates this was a sigma 4 or 5 event over > a 90 or 360 day period. >
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