--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The > > truth of non-duality is being pointed out and explained in terms of > > his own everyday experience, it is being discussed, and quite often > > people are guided towards self-inquiry ('who am I'.) > > > Yes this is what is happening in some cases IMO. Pointing out. > However at the same time after some are "introduced" they go on > rather quickly to claim Buddhahood, Unity Consciousness (brahma- > chetana), Cosmic Consciousness (turiyatita) or in the case of TMO > people, they go on to claim what "Maharishi said". In every case I am > aware of, none of these people would fit the definition of those > states or the experience. There's a strong element of grandiosity in > it all.
In some posts there seems to be a jumping around between a describing a dualistic state, turiyatita, and the non-dual state, brahma-chetana, and/or equating them. And even apparent references to and confusion about a turiya type experience being "non-dual". The words imply some embedded (non)-logic along the lines of "Consciousness is awake to itself, Consciousness is Brahman, therefore I am in Brahman Consciousness." > It's interesting, I was reading some prophecies from the 8th century > regarding when non-dual teaching would start coming to the cities of > the west and they describe this very phenomenon and what will happen > very precisely. One of the comments is 'if it were so easy to reach > perfect Buddhahood, the ocean of samsara would already have been > drained long ago.' > > "Masters of old lashed out at those who claimed to be > enlightened yet refused to be tested, calling them > "earthworms living in the slime of self-validated > satori"." > -Philip Kapleau Roshi > > How many were tested by their teachers? would be my > question--but I already know the answer. And, it seems, those not tested self-proclaimed ones then go on to proclaim others as "Brahman" or whatever. And not particularly open to questioning about their statements, by "peers". That is another type of testing, albeit a lower level, with quesions such as -- is the experience parallel to that of others, are there logical inconsistencies being presented, and are claimed charactristics of a claimed state manifest in the claimer? Questioners are at times cast as "snakes" or as being jealous of not having any experience, etc. It seems that if the experience is true, and the interpretation of it is strong, any and all questions would be welcome. Answering questions can be a catalyst deeper understanding, to bring light to unexplored perspectives and nuances. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
