--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "wayback71" <wayback71@> 
> wrote:
> > 1.Judy, you cannot change Barry's behavior (whether he is honest
> > and fair or not, I do not know, nor care).
> 
> Obviously you don't care.
> 
> As I said earlier, that's how Bush and the Republican
> Congress came into power in the U.S.: Those who knew
> they were neither honest nor fair didn't care enough to
> speak up.
> 
> And it isn't the only instance of dishonest and
> unfair people taking power because nobody knew
> enough or cared enough to call them on their
> behavior.  It's happened throughout history and
> been the cause of inestimable suffering.  It's
> that *tendency* to allow dishonest people to get
> away with their lies that I find frightening.

I agree with you about the importance of having the courage or 
interest to speak up when faced with dishonesty. I would choose you 
first for the team I am on when it comes to important situations. As 
you have said, Barry is not Bush and so I wonder - why expend your 
energy on such a small target?  The principle is right, but the 
response seems too big for the target and its significance.
> > Your replies do not change 
> > his behavior in any way. Even after all these (10?) years of 
> > trying, you seem to agree that Barry has not changed in the ways 
> > you want him to.  YOU WILL NEVER NEVER CHANGE BARRY - GET IT???
> 
> I remain unconvinced that *group* pressure couldn't
> bring Barry to see that his behavior is unacceptable.

One piece of wisdom that I keep getting reminded of in my 50 plus 
years is that you cannot change someone else.I believe this to be 
true, you don't.  OK 
  
> > 2.  No one else here on FFL feels they need protection from 
Barry 
> > and his "dishonesty."
> 
> It isn't about "protection."  It's about acceptable
> behavior on a supposedly "spiritual" forum.

Yes, I guess the posts of Barry's that I have read don't seem so 
bad, as far as I know.  You may know better and need to correct 
somethings from time to time. But constant correction means, to me, 
that you should not read his posts.  If they are hopelessly and 
constantly distorted they should not take up so much of your time or 
thoughts.And I do think that all the samrt people here on FFL will 
figure it out for themselves, over time.  You have made a valiant 
fight in a cause you consider worthwhile.  IMO, you are now stuck in 
the editing role. Spiritually, better to be more in the now of 
things and to let Barry's "problem," which is unchangable, fester on 
its own.  None of us will be hurt. 
>   You are 
> > wasting your time, your hours, and your days if you are 
correcting 
> > Barry's posts for anyone's sake but your own.  Editing is your 
> > profession, I think?  And perhaps you really cannot stop 
yourelf.  
> > If so, email Barry or spairegg on the side if you cannot bear to 
> > stop, but FFL folks have spoken clearly and kindly - many have 
> > asked you to stop this aspect of your posting. EDIT YOUR OWN 
POSTS, 
> > PLEASE!
> 
> And again, it's fascinating that you all come down on
> me instead of Barry, when he is clearly the instigator.
> 
> I don't think it's because you don't care about his
> lies and his constant provocations, I think it's because
> you're all (with a few exceptions) afraid of him.  You
> don't want to risk becoming his targets by challenging
> him.  So you come down on me instead.  At least you
> know I won't tell lies about you.

 Here you are wrong, simply wrong.  I am not afraid of Barry, I 
could care less about Barry or his opinion of me. This conversation 
is all about many many people here wanting the feud to stop since it 
bores us and takes up FFL space and is frankly irritating.We want to 
be able to read your posts without the feud stuff thrown in. As for 
your last sentence above, I do trust that you will be honest and 
that is a good thing. But maybe be less vigilant here?  Having your 
hypervigilance is like going out to dinner with an accountant who 
pulls out the calculator at the end of the meal and tallies up each 
person's bill to the penny.  Great skill in the office, but not at 
dinner.  We want to go out to dinner with you, but.........
snip
> > You will not change Barry!!! The "behavior" of Barry's, as you 
see 
> > it, will always continue.  Will yours?
> 
> If so, why on earth should you expect *mine* to change?

Touche





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