--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > Plenty of people mistake depersonalization due to stress for > witnessing, even though the EEG traces are completely different. Just > because someone describes an internal state the same way, doesn't > mean its really the same state. >
For that matter, there are plenty of people at MUM and Fairfield convinced that they are in various higher states of consciousness who don't fit the more interesting aspects of MMY's definition of, say, Unity. There's a pretty consistent set of correlates for witnessing in long- term TMers. Perhaps there is a different,but consistent, set of correlates for Witnessing in long-term practitioners of other meditation techniques. Does this mean that one or the other is NOT enlightened? Or are the correlates a bugaboo? No-one can say at this point, but given a choice between something that happens completely naturally simply by alternating an entirely natural technique for gaining deep rest with activity and something that occurs in people who use not-so-natural techniques, my money is on the people who practice the natural technique... ...especially when the people who practice the not-so natural techniques end up with physiological correlates similar to people who report derealization due to mega-stress like childhood abuse: such people learn to intellectualize about every aspect of their lives -- which sounds much like the multi-level meditational states described in the Samatha file that vaj refers us to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
