On Jun 10, 2006, at 8:14 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Jun 10, 2006, at 3:57 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In [email protected], new_morning_blank_slate  

<no_reply@> wrote:



The view in Jivan-mukta or other states does not change  the  

chemistry

and physics of a jet engine. The perspective and context aboutsuch

knowledge may change, but Bernoulli's law is still Bernoulli's law.



By definition, someone in Unity or Brahman Consciousness can  

*create* reality by perception

or decision. Bernoulli's Law might not function around someone in  

such a state if they don't

want it to.


Yes, precisely the point I was getting at. Essentially the person in  

Unity becomes the center of their mandala, with the periphery of  

their sphere being manifestations of their own clarity--clarity in  

this case being the energy of their thoughts projecting as their  

environment. In other words they reshape their own environment at a  

fundamental level. In this case "laws" are relative. However even to  

"ordinary" individuals physical laws are impermanent. 


Lets bring a couple hundred, even ten, of these guys to the lab, hook

them up, and test your hypotheses.  Until then ... 



Ever read the results of Swami Rama when they did just that to him at the Menninger Foundation in KS?

Most of what we're talking about here is not really conducive to scientific materialistic approaches, however I think many people, esp. those from a TM background, would be surpised at how detailed and how specific these full paths are. They even have their own inherent vocabularies for their inner topographies. They have detailed signs and stages that are clearly discernable. Yet most will never hear of these paths simply because they require secrecy. For the same reason you will never see research on them.

As someone who has long had connections to extremely relevant spiritual research which saw great persecution--imprisonment, burning of books, etc.--I also question the readiness of the world for truly groundbreaking consciousness research.

Really all we are doing now is looking at "consciousness hardware", the brain. Why are we doing this? We are doing this because modern psychiatry has taken a path of physicality and forsaken the "couch approach". It's all about chemical imbalances in the brain. So what are funding sources supporting? Research into consciousness hardware: the brain and it's chemistry. And if they find something they might just find the latest Zoloft or a new broadspectrum neurotransmitter drug that let's you have sex and lose weight and not have an anxiety disrder. And that's megabucks. It's all driven by drug companies and money.

I always thought M. should've laid his cards on the table and strapped up.


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