--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 10, 2006, at 11:20 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > >> > >> In more recent comment, Ken is back-pedaling on his opinion of TM > >> research. > >> > > > > Probably because it is so at odds with the research coming out on > > Buddhist meditation. > > No, I don't think that's it. It seems to have more to do with > perceived credibility, i.e 'how seriously you take the research of > someone who's selling you something'. It seems he was a little behind > on the negative aspect of TM research simply because he was so happy > to hear what they had to say (and he didn't realize it was really > *what they were selling*). He did not take into account the inherent > bias. >
Of course not. Chuckle. Unlike the highly-touted study that recently came out on Buddhist meditation? Guffaw. > > I'm of the opinion that TC ala TM and whatever state identified as > > [Buddhist term goes > > here] that is brought about by whatever most Buddhists are > > practicing are NOT the same > > physiological state, even if the superficial description sounds the > > same. > > Well, let's be clear, all that "Buddhism" is, is an enlightenment > school (yes, there are some who distort that into a *religion*). > There are many methods available in this enlightenment school. Since > TM is essentially manasika-japa (mental mantric repetition) of the > ishta-devata (personal deity) practice--if you want to see something > similar, you should compare that to ishata-devata (or "yidam" > practice as they call it in Tibetan) practice. It's considered a > useful side-practice in these traditions. Interestingly, the practice > KW uses in his anecdotal "here's how to change your brain waves by > doing different types of sama-dhi" videotape is--you guessed it-- > Yidam practice. Uh-hu. And we can tell this with a 2-channel EEG as he used? > > But really there are numerous practices which should produce this > dualistic "witness" eeg artifact. > > I was able to produce the same effect on a 24 channel eeg, just by > doing my ishta practice. And you had access to this 24-channel EEG machine where? > > > > > > > Drealization due to traumatic stress in early childhood seems to > > involve an immature > > emotional side of the brain, combined with a normal intellectual > > side. The Buddhist state > > appears to involve a normal emotional side combined with an > > overdeveloped intellectual > > side. Both appear to involve intellectual witnessing of What Goes On. > > Well, there are no easy answers. My observation would be that > different styles of Buddhist meditation produce different styles of > brain output. That's all. You might want to consider that we've been > conditioned (through our exposure to TM literature and PR) to believe > that certain physiological correlates are "good" when they're really > merely representational of the method of meditation being used! That might be. > > > TC due to TM, on the other hand, involves holistic functioning of > > the various parts of the > > brain on both sides, as though thoughts were fluctuations of a > > background state of > > attention-switching. > > Since TM-style ishta practice is based on "peaceful ishtas" (who are > generally understood in meditative traditions to induce > transcendence), it would be interesting to see research done also on > other types of ishata-devatas. Heh. > > Personally, for me, I'll use an ishta that is appropriate for my own > state of mind or my own situtation. > Confusion? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
