--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2006, at 10:30 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > [...] > > > Wilber seems to like Skip's work, BTW. > > > > Actually him and Skip were in intimate communication up to his > > untimely death. > > > > His work "The Eye of Spirit : An Integral Vision for a World Gone > > Slightly Mad" (Wilber talks of different "eyes": the eye of flesh, > > the eye of contemplation (our meditational "eye") and the eye of > > spirit, the "eye" of pervasive unity) has sections which talk of > > Skip's work. Interestingly KW also shares my own opinion that GC in > > Skip's/MMY's model of "higher states of consciousness" is not truly a > > "state", but a "stage". In fact, in the source texts that the "7 > > states of consciosness" derive from, it is not seen as a sequence... > > > I don't think MMY ever presented it as a strict sequence, either. Its more like one can't > have an episode of GC without some element of CC present. Likewise with UC depending > on the presence of GC amd therefore on CC as well.
As I understand it, CC, GC, UC (etc.) refer to specific types of experience at certain points along a continuum of experience. I'm not sure of the distinction Vaj is making between "state" and "stage," but again in my understanding there would be points along the continuum of development of consciousness at which each of these types of experience becomes permanent. These points would be sequential in the sense that permanent UC would not be achieved until after permanent GC had been achieved, and permanent GC would not occur until after permanent CC had been achieved. This does *not* mean that one cannot have experiences of UC before even permanent CC has been achieved, and so on. So in that sense they aren't sequential; they're sequential in terms of the order in which each becomes permanent, in my understanding of what MMY teaches. It has also seemed to me that the points along the continuum MMY refers to as GC and UC may have been more or less arbitrarily chosen. > > It's not as obvious with GC/UC but it seems impossible that one could have an experience > of seeing the Self in perceptual reality without being aware of the Self internally as well. > > Seeing the outside as the inside without seeing the inside seems, well, silly. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
