--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 10, 2006, at 10:30 PM, sparaig wrote: > [...] > > Wilber seems to like Skip's work, BTW. > > Actually him and Skip were in intimate communication up to his > untimely death. > > His work "The Eye of Spirit : An Integral Vision for a World Gone > Slightly Mad" (Wilber talks of different "eyes": the eye of flesh, > the eye of contemplation (our meditational "eye") and the eye of > spirit, the "eye" of pervasive unity) has sections which talk of > Skip's work. Interestingly KW also shares my own opinion that GC in > Skip's/MMY's model of "higher states of consciousness" is not truly a > "state", but a "stage". In fact, in the source texts that the "7 > states of consciosness" derive from, it is not seen as a sequence...
I don't think MMY ever presented it as a strict sequence, either. Its more like one can't have an episode of GC without some element of CC present. Likewise with UC depending on the presence of GC amd therefore on CC as well. It's not as obvious with GC/UC but it seems impossible that one could have an experience of seeing the Self in perceptual reality without being aware of the Self internally as well. Seeing the outside as the inside without seeing the inside seems, well, silly. > > In more recent comment, Ken is back-pedaling on his opinion of TM > research. > Probably because it is so at odds with the research coming out on Buddhist meditation. I'm of the opinion that TC ala TM and whatever state identified as [Buddhist term goes here] that is brought about by whatever most Buddhists are practicing are NOT the same physiological state, even if the superficial description sounds the same. Drealization due to traumatic stress in early childhood seems to involve an immature emotional side of the brain, combined with a normal intellectual side. The Buddhist state appears to involve a normal emotional side combined with an overdeveloped intellectual side. Both appear to involve intellectual witnessing of What Goes On. TC due to TM, on the other hand, involves holistic functioning of the various parts of the brain on both sides, as though thoughts were fluctuations of a background state of attention-switching. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
