If you don't mind me asking...do these states include performance of
siddhis as MMY claims?


--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> wrote:
> >
> <snip> 
> > As I understand it, CC, GC, UC (etc.) refer to
> > specific types of experience at certain points
> > along a continuum of experience. I'm not sure
> > of the distinction Vaj is making between "state"
> > and "stage," but again in my understanding there
> > would be points along the continuum of development
> > of consciousness at which each of these types of
> > experience becomes permanent.  These points would
> > be sequential in the sense that permanent UC
> > would not be achieved until after permanent GC had
> > been achieved, and permanent GC would not occur
> > until after permanent CC had been achieved.
> > 
> > This does *not* mean that one cannot have 
> > experiences of UC before even permanent CC has
> > been achieved, and so on.  So in that sense
> > they aren't sequential; they're sequential in
> > terms of the order in which each becomes
> > permanent, in my understanding of what MMY
> > teaches.
> > 
> Yes, that is my understanding based on my experience also. By 
> culturing the nervous system through TM and TM-Sidhis alternating  
> with activity, our physiology becomes refined to do exactly as you 
> say above; each state (CC, GC, UC) becomes a permanent stepping 
> stone to the next one above it. Also as you say, we can have 
> intermittent experiences of advanced states before they are 
> permanent. You are absolutely correct.
> 
> I was confused by this sequencing at first, and posted here awhile 
> back that I didn't think any of these states were permanent, but 
> instead, accessible at any time. 
> 
> However this perception was due to my normal experience of just 
> continuing to function in the 'here and now', even once CC, GC and 
> UC had fully ripened. For example if I want to see angels, I can see 
> angels. However there are very few circumstances where this is of 
> practical value, or even desirable for me, so I tend not to 'turn 
> on' or use this ability very often. And yet it is now a permanent 
> fixture of my physiological functioning.
> 
> More often, my desires are those of everyday life, and so the 
> hallmarks or guideposts of CC, GC, and UC go unnoticed. It should 
> also be said, that although this is the case, the culturing of CC, 
> GC and UC as permanently accessible states greatly enhances the 
> ability for my everyday desires to be nearly effortlessly fulfilled. 
> 
> Obviously none of this is new to us, or unique to me. It is just a 
> wonderful experience to have been taught something for so many 
> years, and then be able to verify it experientially. As I often 
> say, 'what a trip!'.
>







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