Unc:
> > The kung-fu of denial is FAR more powerful than the
> > kung-fu of science. :-)

Curtis:
> Nice one! Agreed.

In my experience, it's more than a snappy one-liner.
There is real truth in it. The power of denial is
fuckin' AWESOME, man. :-) The ability of self to
perpetuate its own illusions and preconceptions
in order to perpetuate self never ceases to amaze me.

And it's as true for science as it is for anything
in the spiritual realm. Just look at how the 
Bushies pervert science and force scientists 
to rewrite their findings to support their agenda.
Look at Shemp, and his enduing ability to not
believe that global warming is an issue.

It's the same in the spiritual realm. The ability
of people to hold onto their preconceptions, 
*despite their own perceptions to the contrary*
is nothing short of amazing. 

> > Technically, it's a navel chakra thang. It's like someone
> > punching you in the stomach, not a one-time punch but a
> > continual pressure on that area of the body. It can be
> > disconcerting until you get used to it.
>   
> Very Don Juan, or even more Don Genero!  Remember how 
> he used to terrify "Carlitos" when he would take a dump 
> and make the earth shake!

Very similar, but different. The energy I spoke of
above, the "navel-chakra hit," was just one of many.
Each of the siddhis I witnessed had its own energy
field, and its own set of effects on the body and
mind of anyone sitting in close proximity to the
siddhi being performed. And each energy field was
different, related in some way to the siddhi being
performed.

And an important distinction that I have to make
is that each of the energy fields that I subject-
ively felt as a result of witnessing siddhis was
*completely different* from the energy field I
associate with enlightenment. The latter was just
pure silence, infinity, eternity, without attributes
of any type, sheer expansiveness, Self incarnate.
The energy field associating the siddhis was 
something different. Not necessarily better 
(although I personally alway preferred the enery
field of enlightenment to the energy field of the
siddhis), but *definitely* different.

It was as if the energy field or aura surrounding
the siddhis was very much relative, although 
"finer relative," whereas the energy field I
associate with a clean, pure meditation was
not relative in any way. Hard to put into words.

Also, of course, there was no "reaction," either
in mind or body, to the energy field of enlight-
enment or samadhi. There was never any tendency 
to disbelieve it or "make it go away," whereas 
there generally was with experiencing the energy 
field of the siddhis. 








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