On Jun 18, 2006, at 5:18 PM, sparaig wrote:

--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[...]

So much of what you said seems to be a natural pattern of growing up

with our ideas whatever they are.  I suspect that I am neither

uniquely flawed nor gifted in intellectual awareness,  in or out of 

TMO.  I also recognize that this group is far from TMO is so many

important ways.  Ways that make this group a much nicer and more

interesting group to interact with.  I have not been able to have a

mutually respectful conversation with anyone still in the group

mindset.  I suspect some of the people here have similar experiences

although mine may be a little more intense because I publicly spoke

out against the TMO, breaking the most important "no talk" rule of any

dysfunctional family!



Well, you also made it sound as though anyone and everyone in the TMO was a liar as 

Andrew Skolnick quoted you in his JAMA article:


http://www.skeptictank.org/gs/sci603.htm

[...]

'Ex-members say that the movement widely practices a style of

deception some call the "SIMS shuffle." Curtis Mailloux, a former

member who lives in Fairfax, Va, says the name is derived from the

Student International Meditation Society, one of the Maharishi's

front groups, where many members develop this skill. Mailloux says

he "left the cult" in 1989 after 15 years. As a former TM teacher

and chair of the TM center in Washington, DC, the largest in the

United States, he is one of the highest ranking members to defect.


"I was taught to lie and to get around the pretty rules of the

'unenlightened' in order to get favorable reports into the media,"

says Maillous. "We were taught how to exploit the reporters'

gullibility and fascination with the exotic, especially what comes

from the East. We thought we weren't doing anything wrong, because

we were told it was often necessary to deceive the unenlightened to

advance our guru's plan to save the world."'



No, that's not what this reveals, what is seems to reveal is a pattern of corruption and deception at the higher levels, not the rank and file. It also implies this mandate came from *somewhere or someone*--someone pulling the financial and PR strings. Given the history of extreme micromanagement, who do ya think that might be? 

It's sad to me that someone who is so spiritual would be turned away because of these experiences.
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