--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "I can't resist suggesting that perhaps the concept
> that seemed so powerful and important *was itself
> limited* as it existed in your mind at the time,
> and that at a certain point you had grown beyond
> what it meant to you then--but for various reasons,
> instead of letting the concept expand along with
> you, you left it where it was and went off in a
> different direction.
> 
> To put it another way, you had a whole lot of
> bathwater you had to dump in terms of having been
> heavily involved with the organization and its dogmas
> and having a personal need to separate yourself from
> all that in order to breathe. And the baby swimming
> around therein was still just a baby, so underdeveloped
> intellectually you couldn't easily connect it to
> the growth you were experiencing in your life."
> 
> 
> It seems from people posting on this group that many have grown and
> expanded their relationship with MMY in the way you describe. Seeing
> the changes in how people relate to the movement and spirituality in
> general has been interesting.
> 
> I was happy to move on when I did, although it did surprise me at
> first.   I don't regret that my involvement was very intense.  I 
know
> it is a different perspective for someone like yourself who always 
had
> a separate identity outside the group.  Your way sounds more
> psychologically healthy from my present point of view.  It doesn't
> surprise me that you have found a balance that you enjoy and value. 
> 
> For me it was very different, and not only in a negative way.  
Since I
> did take MMY at his word, pursuing his programs as he laid them out
> seemed a rational choice for me.  I am glad that I took it to the
> limit  and tested his ideas as throughly as I did.  I certainly 
don't
> look back and think "if only I had..."  Now I can't claim to speak 
for
> anyone else in this regard.  We all have to pursue our own style of
> living.  I loved being in TM intensely, and I love my current
> non-spiritual life.
> 
> My reasons for leaving TM were different from many others who left 
TM
> and spoke about it.  I was not a disgruntled member.  I had 
wonderful
> experiences and insights and had balanced my personal and 
professional
> life when I decided to leave.  I was teaching part-time and 
enjoying a
> great real estate market, so I thought I had it all.  I had the 
bucks
> to enjoy the privileged side of TMO with its better access to MMY 
than
> I had as a full-time member.   

As I mentioned many times, it was an
> unexpected cognitive shift that changed everything for me.

OK.  Whatever the basis for your leaving the movement,
what I find curious is that the way you talk about what
you say no longer appeals to you, it wouldn't appeal to
me either.  It seems sort of stunted and shallow and
two-dimensional and colorless, just a lot of empty words.

But I guess that's just a function of your current lack
of interest, and that at one time it must have been more
fully developed.

  But I do
> respect other people's choices with spirituality.  I don't forget 
the
> value it had for me.  I just see it all differently now for my own 
life.
> 
> So much of what you said seems to be a natural pattern of growing up
> with our ideas whatever they are.  I suspect that I am neither
> uniquely flawed nor gifted in intellectual awareness,  in or out of 
> TMO.

I didn't mean to suggest any lack in your intellectual
capacity, just for the record.  In fact, it's the
contrast between the vibrancy and depth of your intellect
as it shows up here discussing various topics, and the 
pallidity and flatness when you talk about spirituality
(in the TM sense), that led me to make the suggestion
in the first place.

Yet you like that Kabir poem, which is anything
*but* pallid.

Is a puzzlement...






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