"Again, it's clearly two different charts from two different studies, but as far as I can figure it makes zero difference to the discussion we were having about whether the charts were deceptive, which, as I've already noted, is irrelevant anyway."
OK, that was interesting. Now back to the point. The blown up chart makes it clear that the time of 10 minutes of flying is being used. The claim was that it was the moment of liftoff that showed maximum coherence. So we know that the explanation that the coherence was seen before liftoff doesn't work. But the claim mentions liftoff so we know that they couldn't just be sitting there saying the sutra without flying. So all that is left is the claim that they somehow scrubbed out all the hopping artifacts. I believe that they just pasted in a period of coherence and that the whole chart is a fraud. I am opened to being shown how I am wrong about this. The funny thing to me is how long ago we knew about this error and that it is still being used. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > Given so much discussion on the apparent, to some, significant > > > differences in the charts,may I ask, Judy: what is the significance > > > of the differences you feel are substantial? > > > > None whatsoever. Curtis just decided to contradict > > me when I initially said they were different charts-- > > for no apparent reason, because they're obviously > > *not* the same EEG readings. > > Sorry, that wasn't very informational. Go look at > messsage 104250. The *original* issue was that I > was interested in looking at the chart John Lasher > had described to O-J. It wasn't the one on the > TM site, because according to John it had program > periods marked down the side (TM, sutras, Yogic Flying, > TM), which the one on the TM site didn't. > > John had said he thought the one he had described was > the same one as on the TM site. There was some question > in my mind about which chart O-J was referring to when > he responded to John, because he was clearly talking > about more than one study. So I wanted to be able to > see both charts to find out if there were any > differences that would affect the discussion. > > So Curtis helpfully provided a link to a reproduction > of the one John had described, with the program periods > marked on the right side. I thanked Curtis and > observed that it was indeed a different chart than > the one on the TM site (although the differences, > as far as I can tell, don't reveal anything > significant to the earlier discussion). > > Curtis insisted they were the same, even after I > pointed out the differences. Then he actually went > and blew up the TM-site chart in Photoshop, which > didn't really clarify anything because the resolution > is low and it got all pixillated. But *he* thought > it proved the charts were the same. > > By this time it had all taken on a life of its own. > Vaj saw a chance to support a fellow anti-TMer > against me and jumped in with a really silly comment > about the low resolution creating artifacts that > made the details vanish. > > Again, it's clearly two different charts from two > different studies, but as far as I can figure it > makes zero difference to the discussion we were > having about whether the charts were deceptive, > which, as I've already noted, is irrelevant anyway. > > Clear as mud? > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/