On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:01 PM, sparaig wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:40 PM, off_world_beings wrote:


--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:


--- In [email protected], off_world_beings <no_reply@>

wrote:


dge.



SSR's focus is on his breathing techniques, not meditation.

Can

you imagine MMY supporting that idea?>>.


There was a guy called Ishvara that did the same thing. Focus on

breath. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt....useless.

(Try a hug anyone? )


OffWorld




   Pranayama, by itself, is supposed to be a valid way to gain

enlightenment. >>>



No it is not effective for gaining enlightenment on its own.


However, MMY has always claimed that TM is the best single method

out there, at least for householders. I can't imagine that he's

changed his mind.>>>


Is it Pranayama that is being taught by Ravi Shankar? or as you said

it is "focus on breath". The latter is not pranayama.



SSRS used to require pranayama and purification *before* initiation  

into what is essentially an advanced version of TM (TM + a crucial  

"advanced" technique). I imagine he still does. All these practices  

have profound scriptural and lineal backing. In other words, they're  

supported by millennia of yogic experience.


Sri Swami Rama, an initiate of Guru Dev, also required this, plus  

correct asana.



Is this the guy who wrote "LIfe with the Himalayan Masters?" He was initiated into a japa 

technique counting beads, IIRC.


Or without. With a mala has many advantages, esp. in the early stages. It would've probably been very helpful for some TM initiates who just "couldn't get it". It's also helpful when you move onto the other bodies other than the mental one for your japa.


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