i posted this original post as a joke. But with a serious point. Something Barry touched on earlier. We take target or desired physiological parameters as a given -- with scant justification -- though admittedly often with basic common sense.
Just because brain waves become coherent, or "low-S values" seem like a good thing, how do we know without really digging into the research literature. Epileptics have coherent brain wave patterns, and neurotically disturbed patients have low S-values. So why should coherent brain waves and low S-values, or any physiological value necessarily be "good", always, on an a priori basis. ? And "good for everyone"? --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 15, 2006, at 2:09 PM, new.morning wrote: > > > > >> > > >> > http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/abstract/46/4/347 > > >> This study attempted to follow up this finding and > > >> hypothesized that a group of neurotically disturbed patients > > >> would have a higher S value and a group of individuals who > > >> practiced a calming technique such as transcendental meditation > > >> (TM) would have a lower S value than normal subjects. The second > > >> hypothesis was confirmed, but not the first, in that the > > >> neurotically disturbed patients had the lowest mean values for S > > >> of the three groups, rather than the highest. > > > > > > TM makes one more neurotically disturbed? > > > > > > Well this list may be living proof. :) > > > > Sad but interesting. > > Interesting, but not, of course, the least bit sad. > Too bad, Vaj. > > The results did not show that "TM makes one more > neurotically disturbed." Rather, it showed that > depressed patients have a different response to CO2 > than was hypothesized on the basis of previous > studies. (Note that the TMers' response was in > accord with the hypothesis.) > > And especially not sad if you bother to read the > rest of the abstract: > > "Particular characteristics of the sample of psychiatric patients > cast doubt, however, on the validity of this finding. Three > additional findings of this study were that anxious, depressive, and > hyperventilating subject groups were no different from one another in > terms of S values; that very experienced TM practitioners (sidhas) > could significantly lower their ventilatory response to CO2 in the > meditating state as compared to the nonmeditating alert state; and > that the S value did not increase in two male subjects with > endogenous depression after successful treatment with > electroconvulsive therapy." > > > I wonder, if by comparison "2nd generation TM techniques", like > > the Sudarshan Kriya + Advanced TM technique meditation would have > > different results or not. > > Hands, please: How many think Vaj was genuinely > confused about the results of the study and really > believed it meant TM makes one more neurotically > disturbed? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
