Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:02:56 -0700


On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:42 AM, sparaig wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




On Jul 20, 2006, at 12:51 AM, sparaig wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:





On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@>

wrote:






It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra.




Do the Yoga Sutras actually call it flying? Because if that's the

case, Dave should complain about Patanjali, not the TMO.





Well that's only partly the case. The fact is, in the Patanjali oral

and written tradition, which does still exist, it's stated that there

are actually *two* sutras for true "flying"/hovering--and in the TM-

Sidhi formulae you are only given *one*. In addition, there are other

practices and techniques that must be mastered. One is bringing a

certain form of prana into the head/skull. Unfortunately this is the

same prana that underlies thought processes. Screw this technique up

and you go, well, insane.


This has all been verified by other TM-Sidhi practitioners from the

successor of Tat Whale Baba, who also indicated the other missing

elements in the TM-Sidhi program. They are very significant IMO.


The hopping artifact is well known in yogic literature as the

bhuchari siddhi--the siddhi of hopping like a frog. It happens when

prana kundalini is stimulated at the level of the root (muladhara)

chakra....It can be achieved by mere pranayama. It's no big deal.


But it *is* a big sell, or used to be.





Heh. Yogananda claims that levitation itself can be obtained by  

"mere pranayama." MMY

claims that "mere pranayama" can bring one to enlightenment.


What's so mere about it?



Can you provide quotes for both? The yogic tradition is pretty clear  

on what pranayama should do for us: it clears out the nadis. The  

fourth pranayama--which may be what you're referring to is essential  

for both the development of siddhis and samadhi a la Patanjali--but  

this is not generally what people mean when they use the word  

"pranayama".


You sure yogananda wasn't referring to kriya-yoga rather than just  

pranayama?




Perhaps he used the word "kriyas" insteaad of Pranayama. It's been years since I looed at 

his book.


And MMY claims that any of the limbs of yoga can bring one to enlightenment.


Ah I see. That could be "towards" perhaps. In any event, yes they will take you *towards* enlightenment, but that would also take many lifetimes.

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