Judy: *Especially* in a group of experienced meditators, > your use of the term "experience of transcending" was > *not* valid. Any TMers who don't have a lot of > experience who may be lurking, moreover, could be > seriously misled. >
ME: So if I understand you Judy, this was not just a personal attempt to discredit what I said by nitpicking the words I used, it was a critical mission that you are on to make sure that the poor new meditators (lurkers) were not mislead by my use of "transcending" as an expression for the practice of TM. Some meditators might not take the instructions of their own teacher seriously, but might defer to a guy who has not meditated in 17 years? And only your superior understanding of the teaching will save them? And no trained teacher could speak up and correct my error, so you had to take on the role of the "Word Police" and save the day? But your imagined role in the world gets better than this doesn't it Judy? Here you are going to assume the role of " Team Judy, World Police" aren't you? Judy (different post) to Turq: "This error, uncorrected, might well have served to discourage folks who would otherwise have been in a position at some point to demonstrate their courage and humanity by joining a group practicing the TM-Sidhis in a war zone." So me writing about me dropping the practice after 15 years might be connected with the lack of people going to a war zone to practice TM Sidhis? If they hear that I dropped out of TM and don't value it anymore, we might lack the necessary people to stop the war? Holy shit Judy, now I get it! This is an urgent lifesaving mission you are on. God bless you Judy. Your selfless work (unrecognized by the TM group itself), is an inspiration to us all. Neither of our opinions are that important to anyone but ourselves. We are just a bunch of people shooting the shit. Most people here get that, and don't take these words so seriously. But if you do. I would recommend that you take a TTC course and get the credentials you so desperately covet. That way new meditators can hang on your every word of wisdom. But put away your pretensions of lecturing to the former teachers on this group about the basic mechanics of the practice. All your "inward stroke, outward stroke" nonsense just makes you look like a TM teacher wannabe. Now for all you poor little lurkers out there... All of you who were confused by anything I said, please go to your local TM center and have your TM practice checked by a qualified TM checker. I do not represent the opinions of the TM organization, only my own. And for all you sidhas who are hanging on my every word to decide if you should go into a war zone to practice Yogic flying as a means to end war... Please assume the plow position, and if your are flexible enough, kiss your ass goodby! If aren't comfortable doing that then practice your sidhis out of harm's way. --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > Judy, no one cares what I think of TM except the kind person who > > asked me about my experiences. > > You have no way of knowing that, Curtis. > > > I was expressing my personal opinion. > > Of course. That's irrelevant. > > > The verb transcending, combines all the parts of the TM process that > > Spraig was so quick to add, including the mechanics of stress > > release theory. If I had used the phrase "the state of > > transcendence", your point would have more merit. > > If you had used the phrase "the process of transcending," > as I suggested you might have meant rather than "the > experience of transcending," I wouldn't *have* a point. > > The distinction Lawson and I are pressing is between > "experience" and "process." Lawson noted, quite > correctly, that the *experience* of transcending > (whether that refers simply to going to subtler levels > of thought or the state of transcendence) is not of any > more value than the experience of having thoughts, > according to MMY. > > But in a group > > of experienced meditators, my use was completely valid. > > *Especially* in a group of experienced meditators, > your use of the term "experience of transcending" was > *not* valid. Any TMers who don't have a lot of > experience who may be lurking, moreover, could be > seriously misled. > > Everyone > > knew what I was talking about including you and Spraig. Sometimes > the verb > > "transcending" is used to describe the state of transcendent. But > in > > my discussion of my own experiences, I am not using it that way. I > was > > discussing my choice to drop the whole practice of TM with people > > already familiar with the practice. > > Red herring. > > > The original quotes: > > > > "As far as transcending goes, I think that experience is also very > > overrated as a valuable experience. " > > > > Get out your bubble diagrams here and follow along Judy and Spraig. > > > > And the next time I use the term: > > > > "How could so many people drop > > the practice if transcending was all that?" > > > > Judy and Spraig, want to take my use out of context, to make it look > > like I didn't memorize and get tested on the elementary point they > > are bringing up. > > We weren't taking it out of context, Curtis. It *is* > an elementary point, and your use of the term "experience" > suggests that you didn't get it, whether you memorized > and were tested on it or not. > > > So if you want to assert the position that the term "transcending" > > is never used as a description of the whole meditation process, > > please go ahead. I would enjoy that. > > "Transcending" is never used as a description of the > whole meditation process, it's used as a description > of the "inward stroke" of the meditation process, as > well as of experience of the state of the transcendent. > It is *not* used for the "outward stroke" because > transcending is exactly the reverse of that. > > Neither Lawson nor I took your use of "transcending" to > mean only the state of transcendence. That's a red > herring, and you know it. > > > Now here is my explanation to Spraig > > > > Me: 'OK. I thought you were joking. Transcending is the cornorstone > of > > MMY's program. It is the single most important part of his teaching. > > It is considered going to the home of all knowldedge and all the > laws > > of nature. It is going to the highest first. It is watering the root > > so you can enjoy the fruit. It is pulling back the bow so you can > let > > the arrow of activity fly. It is the rest before activity. It is > > capturing the fort so you can enjoy all the silver and gold mines. > > > > Come on Spraig help me out here. You are a sharp guy. What are you > > talking about? MMY considers transcending "Valuable".' > > > > Notice my use of the phrases, "going to the home of all Knowledge", > a > > clear reference to the whole process. "Going to the highest > first", " > > Watering the root", "pulling back the bow", "capturing the fort". > All > > these examples that make it clear what I was talking about, the > whole > > process of TM. Did you guys sincerely miss all that? Or are you > > trying to bust my balls because you can't accept that someone can > > value this experience so differently? > > All a red herring, Curtis, and once again you refer > to the *experience* rather than the *process* here > at the end. If you're "valuing" the *experience*, > that is simply not TM. > > If you had just said, "Oh, yeah, I should have used the > term 'process' rather than 'experience,'" that would > have been that. We all inadvertently goof on the > terminology from time to time. > > The fact that you're going way around Robin Hood's barn > to deny you used the wrong term suggests that either you > still don't understand *why* it's the wrong term, or that > you find it necessary to try to cover up the mistake. > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. 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