--- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley"
> > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote:
> > >
> > > However, one can realize that shift in
> > > identity without being able to perform esoteric parlor tricks.
> > > Claiming that one is not awake unless he's witnessing 24/7 is
> > > absurd;
> > 
> > And is any one making that absurd claim? Not that i have read.
> 
> It's my impression from past discussions on FFL that TM people *are*
> making that claim.

I don't recall such. And i have participated in many of those
discussions. 

However, it is correct IMO, to reject  claims of TMO / MMY
enlighenment simply because one has solely made "the shift' that you
refer to, or solely "there is no "'I" -- and does display the
attributes the TMO says are required and necessary markers of what it
refers to as enlightenment.

Whats that ad? "its not done til i say its done". 

Apply that caption to a picture of MMY looking skepically at a student
giving him a flower and you get my point.

 
 






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