--- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
> 
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > And the translation refers to the one who was going to the guru as a
> > > "guru-bhakt" at least TM teacher / gov. We do, or have, followed a
> > > teacher/guru.
> > >
> >
> > Bhakti means love/worship/etc. Many TM teachers, and most
> meditators/sidhas, are NOT in a
> > guru-bhkti relationship with MMY, or so I believe.
> >
> > Unless, of course, the term "bhakti" changes radically when added to
> "guru" which doesn't
> > seem likely.
> 
> I was going by Paul's translation of guru-bhak, "follower". Paul what
> was your reasoning/ basis for saying "followeer" and not "devotee".
> 
> It occured to me that a full-on bhakti relation might be implied. And
> it also occurred me that, in an "indian 1940's context", many if not
> most of the regular householder folk, flocking to see SBS once or
> twice a year, would be considered guru-bhaks, followers,even "devotees".
> 
> Even, and perhaps specifically, the cooks, carpenters, shopkeepers,
> policmen etc who saw him infrequently, and many who never had a
> personal audience with him. They may have done guru puja to him every
> morning. They may have fully prostrated themselves on the ground
> before him. Thats a "devotee" in my book. Yet not a 24/7 staffer.
> 
> I would look to translators, interpretors, cultural historians, and 80
> year old hindus for clarification. Until then, you will have your
> read of it, I will have mine.

But even given the above, most TMers and many/most TM teachers, are not in such 
a 
relationship with MMY or Gurudev.







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