--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > [...] > > > > And the translation refers to the one who was going to the guru as a > > > > "guru-bhakt" at least TM teacher / gov. We do, or have, followed a > > > > teacher/guru. > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti means love/worship/etc. Many TM teachers, and most > > meditators/sidhas, are NOT in a > > > guru-bhkti relationship with MMY, or so I believe. > > > > > > Unless, of course, the term "bhakti" changes radically when added to > > "guru" which doesn't > > > seem likely. > > > > I was going by Paul's translation of guru-bhak, "follower". Paul what > > was your reasoning/ basis for saying "followeer" and not "devotee". > > > > It occured to me that a full-on bhakti relation might be implied. And > > it also occurred me that, in an "indian 1940's context", many if not > > most of the regular householder folk, flocking to see SBS once or > > twice a year, would be considered guru-bhaks, followers,even "devotees". > > > > Even, and perhaps specifically, the cooks, carpenters, shopkeepers, > > policmen etc who saw him infrequently, and many who never had a > > personal audience with him. They may have done guru puja to him every > > morning. They may have fully prostrated themselves on the ground > > before him. Thats a "devotee" in my book. Yet not a 24/7 staffer. > > > > I would look to translators, interpretors, cultural historians, and 80 > > year old hindus for clarification. Until then, you will have your > > read of it, I will have mine. > > But even given the above, most TMers and many/most TM teachers, are not in such a > relationship with MMY or Gurudev. I would suggest that tranlating such into a modern American / European context, many TM teachers, and some TMers (some real bhaktis and--seperate thought -- ninnies, there) are / were in such a relationship. However, if you do not grok such, from experience, or from the outlines of the suggestion, I am guessing that my making the detailed explicit case would not resonate with your experience or mind-set either. No foul.
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