--- In [email protected], "vajradhatu108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote: > > > > I'd put it this way, before enlightenment all is effort and > > afterwards, by definition there is no effort. > > In a pathless path one is directly introduced to the enlightened state *from the beginning*. > Once one knows, in their own experience, what the "mysterious object", the Big E is, one > no longer remains in doubt. One applies the Fruit, the Big E, *as the Path.*
Just to clarify what we are talking about, the way I look at it, before I began to meditate regularly, I had no experience of enlightenment that I knew about or would recognize as such. Then when I first meditated (doing TM), I had a flash of what I would call enlightenment- felt blissful and in the zone. But daily life still pretty much sucked. Or put another way, I was very much out of phase between the fulfillment of my desires and my existence. However we decide to describe it, it felt like a dual path; I was here and my practical happiness was there. Then the seperation between me and my path, or me and my happiness grew thinner and thinner until *ka-blammo*, one day it vanished. At that time and since I have been in the zone so to speak; near perfect synchronicity between the fulfillment of my desires and me. Enlightenment became stabilized. Or I began what I would call the pathless path, because a constant reference point to That, or full integration with That, was established. However, like every other being, learning continues, hence the experience of the pathless path. So my question in reference to what you have written is, does the pathless path as you speak about it begin with that first flash of unestablished but recognized enlightenment, or does it begin with the establshment of enlightenment, moving forward? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
