--- vajradhatu108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick > Archer > > > <groups@> wrote: > > > > > > > > on 9/20/06 10:18 AM, authfriend at jstein@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quoting an earlier post from Vaj: > > > > > > > > > > "At Estes Park Maharishi pointed out that > there > > > really > > > > > was some effort in TM. He quoted the Vedas > as > > > saying, > > > > > 'Be easy to us with gentle effort.'" > > > > > > > > > > Obviously we'd need a great deal more > context to > > > > > know whether Maharishi was using this quote > to > > > > > describe TM as involving some effort. Who > is > > > being > > > > > addressed in the quote? It appears to be a > > > request > > > > > of some kind, but who is making the request, > and > > > > > of whom? And how would one entity making a > > > request > > > > > of another entity to "be easy to us" relate > to > > > TM? > > > > > > > > > It related to TM. I was there. I had a feeling > > > that Maharishi was > > > > experimenting a bit by bringing up the quote. > He > > > only mentioned it > > > in one > > > > lecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On my TTC at the end when we learned the last > part > > > of the teaching, > > > we met with MMY and he asked us if we had any > > > concerns before we > > > went into that final phase. A fellow from > France > > > stood up and said > > > that he had a problem with his own meditation: > that > > > every time he > > > thought the mantra that he wanted to shout it > out. > > > > > > After talking with him for a few minutes and > sort of > > > diagnosing what > > > the situation was, Maharishi said to him: okay, > look > > > at my arm. I > > > want you to think the mantra every time I move > my > > > arm up. And then > > > he started to, very slowly at first, move his > arm up > > > and down. Then > > > he started doing it faster and then really fast. > > > > And then he > > > started to giggle. > > > > > > I forget what the outcome of all this was and > > > whether the French guy > > > was satisfied but what struck me was that in > order > > > to do what MMY > > > said to do -- think the mantra every time he saw > > > MMY's arm go up -- > > > that effort was involved. Now, I know that this > > > whole episode was a > > > sort of "clinic" and all and it was all in > context > > > of this > > > particular person's unusual meditation > experience, > > > but that's what > > > struck me at the time: that MMY gave an > instruction > > > that necessarily > > > required effort. > > > > The problem is with the word "efffort." It implies > a > > focused trying which is not how you do TM. I think > a > > better word would be "intent." > > In yogic parlance, the word for effort is > "prayatna". Effortless, is > aprayatna. > > Technically speaking any process of meditation, > subject and object > which are transcended, will require a path and some > effort, some > intention. The only thing that is truly effortless > is *nonmeditation.* > > Other things indicative of effort would be any > mental process (e.g. > subtler and subtler levels of mentation till > conscious mentation > stops), awareness of a mental object, any "focus" > whether conceptual > or non-conceptual, allurement or charm towards > towards a calm or > transcendent state, etc. > > > That's not to say "effort is bad", is just part and > parcel of > dualistic paths. > > Reflexively authentic open awareness is not focused > on any particular > object and this is why no effort is needed. Any > "consciousness" by > necessity arises from causes, one of which is an > object, even a subtle > object. Self-arisen wisdom does not need an object. > In fact > effortless, nonmeditation requires *no subject or > object. > * > (back to lurk mode) Come out of your cave more often, yogi-ji.... > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
