--- In [email protected], "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > ...based on the first 1.5 days of November:
> > 
> > Total posts: 323
> > 
> > sparaig: 71
> > shempmcgurk: 44
> > authfriend: 42
> > 
> > Almost *half* the total output of the forum...
> > 
> > Whole *pages* in Message View that consist 
> > of nothing but sparaig, shemp, and Judy
> > arguing with each other, and with MDixon...
> > 
> > It's going to be a long, long winter...
> >
> Frankly, I think they should set up their own chat room.  

>They all have some good things 
> to offer, but no one seems able to get them to turn down the 
quantity, despite repeated 
> requests. >

...Yes, FFL posts have become mostly personal reply stuff that ought 
to go off to the side between them, as the FFL guidelines do 
suggest.  These folks seem to now hold the platform and the thrill 
of performing on it.  Unrestrained or having other purposes 
evidently.  

I run in to a lot of people here in FF who simply no longer 
regularly read FFL or participate in FFL much any more because of 
this overly-large volume of off-topic stuff burying the list.  For 
instance, like with this recent John Kerry 'was right' thread, it 
had no point of referal to FF or FFL or the TM.org meditating 
community and from the first post was simply a personal exchange 
that went on and on.  Yes, they have succeeded in off-ing the list 
to their own mostly.  Stuff like that could be read on the CNN or 
FOX news lists.

Rick, it could help a lot by tightening the language of the FFL 
subject description, taking it back from 'anything goes'.  That 
would give the list back its community purpose that could guide the 
FFL community of it.  Right now it is without guide here as these 
people prove that anything subject goes and they dump it here in FFL.

This FFL list originally was started to be an open forum discussion 
that could be used about FF and FFL, an open forum by contrast with 
the TM-org where their hold of 'open' discussion is tightly produced 
and controlled in their ways to their end.  

In the community of the TM-org, FFL was unique in that the 
discussion could be open to discernment.    Because of this internet 
form of e-groups which came along, FFL was a fresh breeze for the 
meditating community here as it came along and FFL has been a breeze 
which has been very helpful to a lot of people as they have looked 
at the TM-org and their participation with it.

In FF, FFL has been incredibly useful because the discernment of 
things TM-org can be instant and public here.

Rick, it would be extremely helpful now to the list here as FFL to 
drop the 'anything goes' language from the list description and the 
guidelines. Just keep the rest of the list description as is if you 
like.  Droppping the 'anything goes' language then people can self-
edit and self-govern the list as there is something to write to, and 
not just 'anything goes'.  The bylaw as you have it written is 
untenable and is just running the list down.

With Kind Regards from FF,

-Doug

 








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