--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 28, 2006, at 6:39 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:29 PM, sparaig wrote: > >> > >>> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:50 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Dude, you've never even *done* the flying technique! lol! > >>>> > >>>> Not only have I, I was a successful hopper. > >>>> > >>>>> What you > >>>>> have written has nothing specific to do with the flying sutra. > >>>>> Pranayama!? That is just absurd- I did pranayama before meditation > >>>>> for years prior to meditation and never a hint of hopping or > >>>>> movement. > >>>> > >>>> Pranayama in it's deeper sense is a yama or pause--a gap--in the > >>>> breath, that often coincides with Pure Consciousness. If this gap > >>>> does not occur, even briefly in a flash, the prana can never > >>>> have the > >>>> door it needs to "hop". > >>> > >>> So it is "prana" that is hopping, rather than the body? The prana > >>> is what is important rather > >>> than pure consciousness? YFers hopping about stabilizes prana but > >>> doesn't stabilize pure > >>> consciousness? > >> > >> No it is not prana "hopping", it's the side effect of prana entering > >> the muladhara-chakra and what happens when it "touches" apana-vayu. > >> That's all. > > > > Er, yeah. So what is the physiological correlate of all of this? > > > >> > >> That's not to say that prana is not important... > >> > >>> > >>> Where's the research on breath suspension using Buddhist meditation > >>> techniques, BTW? > >> > >> > >> Was I supposed to be looking for some? > >> > >> A teacher of mine did some casual experiment though and I was > >> impressed. In the longer "pauses" it's not so much a "pause" as it is > >> a very, very long in and out-breath. I'm not sure if there is any > >> recent research on the real long suspensions--hour and days. But I'm > >> really less and less "wowed" by objective research. I'd much rather > >> sit next to someone who does do such a long suspension and then talk > >> to them. > > > > As I have pointed out many times, there ARE TM studies on this > > phenomenon. It isn't a > > long in and out breath thing though, it is a sustained out-breath > > where the diaphram > > apparently relaxes to its normal position. Respiration continues, > > however, apparently due > > to air circulating because the heart is compressing/decompressing > > the sides of the lungs. > > That's because it's so brief. This phenomenon is well known to yogis, > but is just an good sign you're getting ready for the fourth. > > It should absolutely not be confused with the fourth pranayama--even > if someone tries to sell it to you as such (which it appears someone > has!). > > These minor apneas should be of little interest to serious scientists. >
So where is the research on the fourth done by "serious scientists?'
