--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:29 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:50 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > >> > >>> Dude, you've never even *done* the flying technique! lol! > >> > >> Not only have I, I was a successful hopper. > >> > >>> What you > >>> have written has nothing specific to do with the flying sutra. > >>> Pranayama!? That is just absurd- I did pranayama before meditation > >>> for years prior to meditation and never a hint of hopping or > >>> movement. > >> > >> Pranayama in it's deeper sense is a yama or pause--a gap--in the > >> breath, that often coincides with Pure Consciousness. If this gap > >> does not occur, even briefly in a flash, the prana can never have the > >> door it needs to "hop". > > > > So it is "prana" that is hopping, rather than the body? The prana > > is what is important rather > > than pure consciousness? YFers hopping about stabilizes prana but > > doesn't stabilize pure > > consciousness? > > No it is not prana "hopping", it's the side effect of prana entering > the muladhara-chakra and what happens when it "touches" apana-vayu. > That's all.
Er, yeah. So what is the physiological correlate of all of this? > > That's not to say that prana is not important... > > > > > Where's the research on breath suspension using Buddhist meditation > > techniques, BTW? > > > Was I supposed to be looking for some? > > A teacher of mine did some casual experiment though and I was > impressed. In the longer "pauses" it's not so much a "pause" as it is > a very, very long in and out-breath. I'm not sure if there is any > recent research on the real long suspensions--hour and days. But I'm > really less and less "wowed" by objective research. I'd much rather > sit next to someone who does do such a long suspension and then talk > to them. As I have pointed out many times, there ARE TM studies on this phenomenon. It isn't a long in and out breath thing though, it is a sustained out-breath where the diaphram apparently relaxes to its normal position. Respiration continues, however, apparently due to air circulating because the heart is compressing/decompressing the sides of the lungs. http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/46/3/267.pdf http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/133 > > IMO it's finding out your own inner signs that's ultimate. > Kill that buddha, dude. There's no inner signs that you can be certain of. If you think there are, you're holding onto something.
