--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:30 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "llundrub" <llundrub@> wrote: > > > >> > >> I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects > >> of the teaching are very limited and limiting. > >> > > > > I agree with Llundrub here. I think that's exactly > > what Vaj is suggesting. > > > > Not that it would be *difficult* to suggest that TM > > is a fraud. It pretends to be unique and it's not, > > it pretends to be better than other techniques of > > meditation and it isn't, and it pretends to be worth > > the insane amount of money the TMO charges for it > > and it isn't. Pretty much a fraud on all counts. > > > Actually I've NEVER said TM was a fraud--quite the opposite. Although > I'd now recommend people who really wanted to learn this style of > meditation to learn SSRS's technique as it is a superior evolution of > TM IMO. A better org too. > > Just don't make the mistake of it being the 'be all and end all' like > the fundies. > > Personally I find the similarities and common ground of various > tantras, whether Natha, Hindu, Buddhist, Bon or Jain all incredibly > beautiful.
If I follow what you've been saying over the years, you are simply saying both the Hindu tantric meditation systems and the Buddhist ones both share techniques to perfect the fourth pranayama--a subtle pranayama important for deep meditation and deep samadhi. And therefore it doesn't matter if it's one or the other, but you should be able to practice it if you know what you are talking about. And most TM people have no clue about these higher practices which seems so key to that (deep) type of practice. Knowing that, you'd have to be surprised when you see their research and that this deeper meditation is not occurring even after many years of repetition, rounding, etc. It really seems painfully obvious.
