--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:57 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:48 PM, kaladevi93 wrote: > >> > >>> If I follow what you've been saying over the years, you are simply > >>> saying both the Hindu > >>> tantric meditation systems and the Buddhist ones both share > >>> techniques to perfect the > >>> fourth pranayama--a subtle pranayama important for deep meditation > >>> and deep samadhi. > >>> And therefore it doesn't matter if it's one or the other, but you > >>> should be able to practice it > >>> if you know what you are talking about. And most TM people have no > >>> clue about these > >>> higher practices which seems so key to that (deep) type of practice. > >>> > >>> Knowing that, you'd have to be surprised when you see their > >>> research and that this deeper > >>> meditation is not occurring even after many years of repetition, > >>> rounding, etc. > >>> > >>> It really seems painfully obvious. > >> > >> > >> Yes, you got it. I'm glad what I'm saying does come through, thanks. > >> > > > > So where is the research on samadhi and enlightenment using other > > meditation > > techniques? > > > Where it has always been: in the student/teacher relationship and the > laboratory of the student's consciousness. In real retreat centers > everywhere. I hope they're not afraid of experimenting and just going > for it. > > Oh yeah, and some people are doing research. Big deal. >
Where is the publshed research on this stuff? It is easy to assert that it is everywhere, but how is that different than say, David Keresh's "research?"
